Batch 147 created

[Stevo]

I'm here...
So do we know when that will start to test for the s series? And what will that tell me? I didn’t realize that so many R1b1c’s have not been able to be classified.

I think FTDNA should begin testing for the S series within a couple of months.

Otherwise, if you can't wait, Ethnoancestry tests for it right now.

Have you had FTDNA's Deep SNP-R1b test yet?

Anyway, SNP testing can give you some extra geographical information that can help you figure out your deep ancestry. It is also helpful to the rest of us, since the more data we collect, the more we learn.

Are you getting the hang of looking for matches in YSearch? It's a valuable tool.

Have you joined the R1b Project yet? You can do that by clicking on the little "Join" icon on the left side of your FTDNA personal homepage. Then scroll down to "Y-Haplogroup Projects" and click on the "R6" thingie. Finally, click on "R1b and Subclades", then scroll down and click on "Join."

[Vinny]

I think FTDNA should begin testing for the S series within a couple of months.

Otherwise, if you can't wait, Ethnoancestry tests for it right now.

Have you had FTDNA's Deep SNP-R1b test yet?

Anyway, SNP testing can give you some extra geographical information that can help you figure out your deep ancestry. It is also helpful to the rest of us, since the more data we collect, the more we learn.

Are you getting the hang of looking for matches in YSearch? It's a valuable tool.

Have you joined the R1b Project yet? You can do that by clicking on the little "Join" icon on the left side of your FTDNA personal homepage. Then scroll down to "Y-Haplogroup Projects" and click on the "R6" thingie. Finally, click on "R1b and Subclades", then scroll down and click on "Join."

Ya here are my results for that: R1b1c M173+ M207+ M269+ M343+ P25+ M126- M153- M160- M18- M222- M37- M65- M73- P66- SRY2627-
and I have already joined that project, but thanks for the info.
I think I will wait untill FTDNA starts to do that test.

[MMaddi]

Ya here are my results for that: R1b1c M173+ M207+ M269+ M343+ P25+ M126- M153- M160- M18- M222- M37- M65- M73- P66- SRY2627-
and I have already joined that project, but thanks for the info.
I think I will wait untill FTDNA starts to do that test.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's 6 months or longer before FTDNA starts testing for S21 and S28. Evidently, Ethnoancestry, whose main business is SNP testing, had a lot of trouble getting the primers for the S-series to work properly in their lab. FTDNA will probably have similar problems.

[lgmayka]

Evidently, Ethnoancestry, whose main business is SNP testing, had a lot of trouble getting the primers for the S-series to work properly in their lab. FTDNA will probably have similar problems.

This is what Dr. Krahn of FTDNA's Advanced lab wrote to me back in June, with respect to the SNPs for R1b1c9 and R1b1c10:
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We have those two markers already working in our Houston lab. We have sequenced a couple of reference samples and know that the results are consistent with the EA results. We also have S29 working. Because everything is available from EA we didn't prioritize the commercialization of the test, but of course there are no secret commitments with other companies. We didn't plan to come out with the R1b1c special until we can deliver more interesting features than our competitors.
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[Stevo]

This is what Dr. Krahn of FTDNA's Advanced lab wrote to me back in June, with respect to the SNPs for R1b1c9 and R1b1c10:
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We have those two markers already working in our Houston lab. We have sequenced a couple of reference samples and know that the results are consistent with the EA results. We also have S29 working. Because everything is available from EA we didn't prioritize the commercialization of the test, but of course there are no secret commitments with other companies. We didn't plan to come out with the R1b1c special until we can deliver more interesting features than our competitors.
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Cool.

I guess by "more interesting features" he means more non-private SNPs.

That would be nice.

[Vinny]

Odd

Okay now I am a little more puzzled about this DNA Stuff. My second cousin got his results in today. Here is his y search ID 53HJD. His Great Grandfather (born in 1874) is my Great Great Grandfathers (born in 1865) younger brother. Here is my Y search ID 59JDM. We don't match, it says their is a genetic difference of 6, our dna could not have mutated that much right? It says his last name is Cien, but it really in Cienfuegos, his father dropped the fuegos, I guess because he got sick of people messing it up or something. Anyway let me know what you all think. Thanks.

[efgen]

Hi Vinny,

There are several differences between you and your cousin that are causing the high GD:

Marker  Cousin   You
DYS391   11       10
DYS439   11       13
DYS389  13/28   15/31

Let me ask some questions... your cousin's Ysearch profile says his grandfather took his mother's surname, and his great-grandfather is unknown. However, your post said that his great-grandfather was your great-grandfather's brother. Did you mean that his grandfather was your great-grandfather's brother? And is it possible that while they had the same mother, they actually had different fathers? If so, that would certainly explain the different Y-DNA results.

[Stevo]

Hi Vinny,

There are several differences between you and your cousin that are causing the high GD:

Marker  Cousin   You
DYS391   11       10
DYS439   11       13
DYS389  13/28   15/31

Let me ask some questions... your cousin's Ysearch profile says his grandfather took his mother's surname, and his great-grandfather is unknown. However, your post said that his great-grandfather was your great-grandfather's brother. Did you mean that his grandfather was your great-grandfather's brother? And is it possible that while they had the same mother, they actually had different fathers? If so, that would certainly explain the different Y-DNA results.

And Spanish naming practices included the use of the mother's surname right?

[Vinny]

Okay this is how it went, I just kind of figured this out. In 1839 Adelaida Avila was born (my great great great Grandmother).. later she married a man with the last name Cienfuegos (we don’t know his frist name). They had a child together in 1865 my great great Grandfather Jose Francisco Vicente Cienfuegos. Adelaida we thought all her Children were with this man including Francisco's younger brother born in 1874 his name was Jose Adelaido Cienfuegos. Anyway I descend from Francisco and my 2nd cousin descends from Jose Adelaido. We are off a generation Jose Adelaido is his Great Grandfather. We recently found documents that state that Adelaida was a widow and also in other court documents that she may have been a prostitute and had a child (Jose Adelaido, seeing as my cousin seems to match with many Ashkenazi Jewish people) with a man name Lehman Spiegelberg and since we do not match now we know that this is most likely true. My cousin is guessing a lot on what he wrote on his page..

[Stevo]

Okay this is how it went, I just kind of figured this out. In 1839 Adelaida Avila was born (my great great great Grandmother).. later she married a man with the last name Cienfuegos (we don’t know his frist name). They had a child together in 1865 my great great Grandfather Jose Francisco Vicente Cienfuegos. Adelaida we thought all her Children were with this man including Francisco's younger brother born in 1874 his name was Jose Adelaido Cienfuegos. Anyway I descend from Francisco and my 2nd cousin descends from Jose Adelaido. We are off a generation Jose Adelaido is his Great Grandfather. We recently found documents that state that Adelaida was a widow and also in other court documents that she may have been a prostitute and had a child (Jose Adelaido, seeing as my cousin seems to match with many Ashkenazi Jewish people) with a man name Lehman Spiegelberg and since we do not match now we know that this is most likely true. My cousin is guessing a lot on what he wrote on his page..

Seems you're learning a lot via your test results.

Thanks for sharing it.

Lately things have been a bit slow for me on the genealogy front.

[Stevo]

Okay, hope I'm not violating the rules, but I can't resist posting in this old thread where I got my start.

Anybody else in Batch 147 still out there?

[Stevo]

Looking back on this old thread, it's interesting to see how much we've learned since its last active post back in 2007 and how much the Y-DNA nomenclature has changed: still R1b, but no longer "R1b1c", for example.

Big Y testing has done a lot to advance what we know. It has really done a lot for my own personal Y-chromosome genealogy. Ancient DNA testing has also done a tremendous amount to advance our knowledge.

[Stevo]

One of the reasons I enjoy remembering back to old Batch 147 is that I regard DNA testing with Family Tree DNA as one of the happiest, best, and smartest decisions of my life.

I have gotten so much joy out of what I have learned. I don’t regret a single penny I’ve spent on it.

Thank You, God, and thank you, FTDNA!

[Stevo]

Any other veterans of old Batch 147 here?

[Stevo]

The Clouds Parted, The Angels Sang . . .

I just got my results from FTDNA!

At least the first twelve markers.

Phew!

At last!

There's joy in Muddville tonight.

I found out I'm an average white guy (surprise): R1b1.

Where are you, O'Connor, my brother!

We ride with the Uyghurs! Break out the kumis!

And where are my other brothers: Francesco and Mike Maddi?

(Sorry, folks. I'm rather elated.)

There it is: the post in which I announced my first Y-DNA 12-marker results, 19 May 2006. A fond memory for me.

Maybe I'm nuts, but that was the beginning of a lot of really good stuff for me. I'm grateful to God for it.

I wonder what happened to all the people who posted in this massive thread. Where have they gone?