Batch 147 created

[F.E.C.]

My mtdna results came in, and is no longer listed in my "Pending Results"

But my deep snp is still listed under Pending Results.

Is there more snp results to come??

Mike, I guess you have not received results for M37 (R1b1c1) and P66 (R1b1c8)

yet.

[ragnar]

Mike, I haven't heard if they found out if that bird that was found on Prince Edward Island with the bird flu a couple weeks ago was "That" really bad bird flu or not? Have you heard yet? How far away from you was it found?

[Stevo]

My mtdna results came in, and is no longer listed in my "Pending Results"

But my deep snp is still listed under Pending Results.

Is there more snp results to come??

R1b* -
• • • R1b1 P25
• • • • R1b1* -
• • • • R1b1a M18
• • • • R1b1b M73
• • • • R1b1c M269, S3, S10, S13, S17
• • • • • R1b1c* -
• • • • • R1b1c1 M37
• • • • • R1b1c2 M65
• • • • • R1b1c3 M126
• • • • • R1b1c4 M153
• • • • • R1b1c5 M160
• • • • • R1b1c6 SRY2627 (M167)
• • • • • R1b1c7 M222
• • • • • R1b1c8 P66
• • • • • R1b1c9 S21 (added)
• • • • • • R1b1c9* -
• • • • • • R1b1c9a L1 (S26) (added)
• • • • • • R1b1c9b S29 (added)
• • • • • R1b1c10 S28 (added)
• • • • R1b1d M335

I don't think you've thus far received results for the SNPs in bold above. The ones in red are the SNPs for which FTDNA does not yet test.

If you test negative for the bolded SNPs above, I believe your R1b1c will change to R1b1c*.

[M.O'Connor]

Mike, I haven't heard if they found out if that bird that was found on Prince Edward Island with the bird flu a couple weeks ago was "That" really bad bird flu or not? Have you heard yet? How far away from you was it found?

It is not the Bird flue strain that is causing panic. it is a different stain.

The chickens who mingled with the sick birds did not contract any ill virus.

Chickens are succeptable to the worrysome Bird flue found in Asia

This is different...no chickens died...or got sick.

[M.O'Connor]

This might have some answers to any concerns.

http://www.health-alternative-life.com/2006/06/18/avian-flu-detected-at-pei-backyard-farm-national-post/

[Jukka]

I'm still waiting for my upgrade. 38-67 from batch 147
I guess time will tell.

38-67 within three to six weeks, just my pessimist guess (batch 147).

[ragnar]

Mike, that's good news for now. It's probably going to get here, but which direction first...Siberia-Alaska flyway or northeastern Canada...?

[Stevo]

???

Awhile back I mentioned the fact that I had talked one of my students (I teach 8th Grade Social Studies) into testing with the Genographic Project. He seemed really excited about the prospect of getting his results.

When his results supposedly came in, the very next day he called in sick from school. When he came back, he sort of sheepishly told me he was R1b, which is what we expected, since he has one of those Irish UiNeill surnames.

I asked him several times to bring in his STR marker values so that I could help him enter them into YSEARCH. He said he would but never did. He has not made a YSEARCH entry. I have checked his surname, and there are no new entries there.

This all occurred right before school ended for the summer. Using the fact that he failed to turn in his textbook and someone else turned it in for him, I called his home on my last teacher workday to let him know he would not have to pay for the book after all. I wanted to ask him about his GP results and making an entry in YSEARCH. He was not home, but I spoke with his sister, with whom I even left my cell phone number. The kid has not returned my call.

This behavior strikes me as strange given his initial enthusiasm for dna testing and his excitement at the prospect of being a descendant of Niall of the Nine Hostages.

Do you think he might have gotten a y-dna surprise for which he was not prepared?

R1b was what he expected. Could he have found out he was something else, something he did not really understand and possibly misinterpreted?

DNA testing is a two-edged sword. I realize the results can be a difficult pill to swallow for some folks.

This makes me wonder if I should even mention dna testing to my students in the future.

[darroll]

reply to Stevo

I always give a warning about having your DNA tested. It could prove devastating to some. This could prove a ethnic background that is not expected. This is the only thing that could of upset your student. I assume that his father never had his DNA tested, so this could not be the problem…. OR…. The Boy just got lazy… OR…. He never had his DNA tested at all and was trying to make his teacher happy. Don’t worry about it Buddy. dc

[Stevo]

I always give a warning about having your DNA tested. It could prove devastating to some. This could prove a ethnic background that is not expected. This is the only thing that could of upset your student. I assume that his father never had his DNA tested, so this could not be the problem…. OR…. The Boy just got lazy… OR…. He never had his DNA tested at all and was trying to make his teacher happy. Don’t worry about it Buddy. dc

Thanks. It is certainly a possibility that he never actually had his dna tested.

I suspect, however, that he got a result for which he was not prepared and one he did not really understand.

It was also a result he did not wish to share with anyone.

[DMac]

R1b was what he expected. Could he have found out he was something else, something he did not really understand and possibly misinterpreted?

Short answer is yes. The emphasis being on "something he did not really understand."

Using myself as an example, I am I1a. But, with my surname, McMillan, I would have expected to be R1b. Most other MacMillans are R1b. Now, if I did not have the little knowledge I have concerning Scottish history and the various invasions of the Norse, Angles & Saxons and the Normans into the Brithish Isles, who all have high percentages of I1a, I could easily have reached a wrong conclusion...I'm the mailman's son!!! Testing of a distant cousin confirmed that the mailman lived at the least 200+ years ago.

If you quized the boy, I'm sure he has no understanding of Irish history...the Norse were there also...or even our own U.S. history where immigrants wishing to avoid possible persecution would even change their names. And yes, there's always the possibility of an NPE. But, does not FTDNA require a parental signature...it's been so long I don't remember...when a minor is tested?

If it was me, I think I might approach the mother with my concerns. See what she says. It would probably involve a lengthy discussion of what DNA testing can and can not do, though.

[Stevo]

Short answer is yes. The emphasis being on "something he did not really understand."

Using myself as an example, I am I1a. But, with my surname, McMillan, I would have expected to be R1b. Most other MacMillans are R1b. Now, if I did not have the little knowledge I have concerning Scottish history and the various invasions of the Norse, Angles & Saxons and the Normans into the Brithish Isles, who all have high percentages of I1a, I could easily have reached a wrong conclusion...I'm the mailman's son!!! Testing of a distant cousin confirmed that the mailman lived at the least 200+ years ago.

If you quized the boy, I'm sure he has no understanding of Irish history...the Norse were there also...or even our own U.S. history where immigrants wishing to avoid possible persecution would even change their names. And yes, there's always the possibility of an NPE. But, does not FTDNA require a parental signature...it's been so long I don't remember...when a minor is tested?

If it was me, I think I might approach the mother with my concerns. See what she says. It would probably involve a lengthy discussion of what DNA testing can and can not do, though.

I don't think I1a was his problem. Here's why. The boy actually told me he was hoping he would turn out to be I1a. He read something on the internet about the Vikings and concluded that I1a in Ireland would be indicative of Viking descent. That was for him, he decided.

I told him that probably many of the Vikings were R1b, R1a, and I1c, too, so that he should not let a negative finding on I1a trouble him. Besides, all of the other entries with his surname in YSEARCH are R1b, and his is one of those UiNeill surnames.

What he got, I suspect, was neither R1b nor I1a.

I think I'm probably just going to let the thing drop. For whatever reason the kid wants to keep what he found out a secret. I don't have his phone number or email address with me at home anyway, and I live a long way from my school.

[DMac]

I don't think I1a was his problem.

Stevo, I only used I1a and my personal experience as an example of the surprises DNA testing can bring.

Maybe the kid will use the summer to sort out whatever is bothering him.

[M.O'Connor]

I don't think I1a was his problem. Here's why. The boy actually told me he was hoping he would turn out to be I1a. He read something on the internet about the Vikings and concluded that I1a in Ireland would be indicative of Viking descent. That was for him, he decided.

I told him that probably many of the Vikings were R1b, R1a, and I1c, too, so that he should not let a negative finding on I1a trouble him. Besides, all of the other entries with his surname in YSEARCH are R1b, and his is one of those UiNeill surnames.

What he got, I suspect, was neither R1b nor I1a.

I think I'm probably just going to let the thing drop. For whatever reason the kid wants to keep what he found out a secret. I don't have his phone number or email address with me at home anyway, and I live a long way from my school.

In the Boy's sequence..was he 393=13...or = 393=12....??

[Stevo]

In the Boy's sequence..was he 393=13...or = 393=12....??

He never did show me his marker values.

I really am at a loss to say what happened in his case.