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[F.E.C.]

Hi Igmayka,
can this upgrade help to find new SNP's as well?

[Stevo]

That's a good question. The upgrade's practical value is quite limited until a significant fraction of FTDNA customers have bought it. But someone has to be the first.

Besides, those of us in unusual haplogroups (I1b-Dinar, G2) can be the first in our haplogroup to get the upgrade, and thereby make history.

Maybe all those additional markers will help in the quest for greater geographic precision, although it seems to me that SNPs hold more promise in that connection.

I just sent an email to another member of one of the projects of which I am a member. I asked him to upgrade from his current 12 markers to at least 25 or - better yet - 37.

With so many 12-marker haplotypes in our projects, it seems likely that those with 67 will be waiting a long while to utilize their extra markers.

[MMaddi]

Can someone explain to me the benefit of upgrading from 37 to 67 markers?

Why do it unless you already have a close match at 37 that you are trying to confirm or exclude?

I have a hard enough time remembering my marker values and which markers are fast mutators and which are slow as it is.

Hell, I don't even have a 12/12 marker match in any database, which is just about unheard of for an R1b. I started out with 37 markers because I know that eventually I'll need that many markers to compare with others, since my goal is to find someone I match very closely so that I can find out the surname of my great-grandfather's father. My great-grandfather was abandoned at birth and is my brick wall.

I did upgrade from 37 to 67 markers, even though it won't help me in that goal any more than 37 markers will. My thinking is that I would like to contribute to advancing knowledge about R1b haplotypes and what that might mean as to predicting deep ancestry. For instance, I think it will be very interesting, once the marker upgrades are all in, to see what are the differences on markers 38-67 among various forms of R1b, especially S21. I would like to know how I match up with other S21+'s on markers 38-67. And, who knows, maybe something I learn from my values for 38-67 will aid me in the future in knocking down my brick wall.

Mike

[lgmayka]

Hi Igmayka,
can this upgrade help to find new SNP's as well?

I don't think so. Finding new SNPs does not happen as a by-product of measuring STRs. Rather, we get new SNPs only from:

- Explicit searching for new SNPs along the Y chromosome, or

- Comprehensive mapping of sections of the Y chromosome, which can reveal unexpected differences (mutations) as a by-product.

[M.O'Connor]

June 20th........no results yet.


No new Target Date for my results either ...
One company does your dna sequence.
From there you buy the markes you want.
If they already have the sequence there is
no need to whip up another batch of dna



I'll have to see if I can find it in my favoites folders.

C'mon 147...

[F.E.C.]

Hell, I don't even have a 12/12 marker match in any database, which is just about unheard of for an R1b.

What the hell is wrong with Italian R1b's???

[M.O'Connor]

Is there an O'Connor Project that you are in?

How is that going?

Any matches?

Are you in the R1b Project?

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There is no O'Connor Project. I have been offered to start one. but i'm unsure about how to post things on the site.

There is a Conner Project tying in O'Connor and other spellings into itself.

I have a 32/37 match. 2 of the markers are red ones.
(this meathod counts any distance as one.)

The other way would add up to 9 or so.

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I didn't join the R1B project.

I did join the Border Reevers Project.

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C'mon 147..

[Stevo]

What the hell is wrong with Italian R1b's???

Probably nothing a bit more testing in Italy wouldn't solve.

Did you see those posts in our R1b Forum by the people with 260+ and 270+ 12-marker matches?

Can you believe that?

Incredible!

I have only eight. Compared to you and Mike Maddi that's a lot, but in the great R1b scheme of things I guess eight matches are nothing.

I think that maybe the further you are off the AMH, the fewer matches you have.

Does it seem that way to you?

[F.E.C.]

Probably nothing a bit more testing in Italy wouldn't solve.

Did you see those posts in our R1b Forum by the people with 260+ and 270+ 12-marker matches?

Can you believe that?

Incredible!

I have only eight. Compared to you and Mike Maddi that's a lot, but in the great R1b scheme of things I guess eight matches are nothing.

I think that maybe the further you are off the AMH, the fewer matches you have.

Does it seem that way to you?

Does this mean the AMH is the earliest stock for Western European R1b's and our "bizarre" haplotype is like a mutation, representing something which occurred later far from an Iberian refugium?

[Stevo]

Does this mean the AMH is the earliest stock for Western European R1b's and our "bizarre" haplotype is like a mutation, representing something which occurred later far from an Iberian refugium?

I think that perhaps our haplotypes are actually older than the AMH.

I could be wrong, of course, but I think our haplotypes arose farther to the East and are thus older than the "West Coast" variety associated with proximity to the AMH.

One of the reasons I say this is that I checked my own haplotype against the Eurasian R1 modal and came nearly as close to it as I did the AMH.

I am 13 off the AMH and only 14 off the R1 modal.

That must mean something.

There is also that article by Alan Foster arguing that R1b gets older as one goes east.

[F.E.C.]

I am 13 off the AMH and only 14 off the R1 modal.

That must mean something.

As if we were halfway between the two.

There is also that article by Alan Foster arguing that R1b gets older as one goes east.

Yes, but only if you assume our respective ancestors remained in the same place in the last thousands years

[Stevo]

As if we were halfway between the two.

That's it!

Maybe half way geographically, as well, at least in ancient or prehistoric times.

Yes, but only if you assume our respective ancestors remained in the same place in the last thousands years

I think the evidence shows a westward movement by R1b over the millenia, with the oldest subclades in the East and the newest in the West.

That was the gist of Foster's article, as I recall.

[Stevo]

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There is no O'Connor Project. I have been offered to start one. but i'm unsure about how to post things on the site.

There is a Conner Project tying in O'Connor and other spellings into itself.

I have a 32/37 match. 2 of the markers are red ones.
(this meathod counts any distance as one.)

The other way would add up to 9 or so.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I didn't join the R1B project.

I did join the Border Reevers Project.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

C'mon 147..

The idea of starting a project is daunting. I don't blame you for hesitating to do it.

Does FTDNA offer any guidelines on how to do it?

The Project Administrator in my main surname project (Steffen) is a cool guy. Not only has he done a good job on our FTDNA web page, but he is real communicative and responds to email queries quickly and thoroughly.

I plan on creating my own genealogically-oriented web page one of these days. Maybe after I get my Deep SNP-R1b results. The snow should be falling by then . . .

[efgen]

The technical details of getting a project started are actually fairly basic.

ISOGG has good general info about running a project. Go to http://www.isogg.org, click on the Admin link on the left and read through some of the links about establishing and promoting a project.

FTDNA has a Quick Reference Guide for their Group Administration Page (GAP):

http://www.familytreedna.com/ftGroupQRGuide.html

The FTDNA-provided public website requires no programming at all by the group admin. The GAP has a website configuration page that simply has checkboxes to select what you do and don't want shown on the page and text boxes to write your project description, goals, etc. The results charts are automatically generated from the results of your project members.

My Palevsky website is mostly basic:

http://www.ftdna.com/public/palevsky

My Jewish Belarus website is customized, using HTML code for the white backgrounds, links to the maps and font colors:

http://www.ftdna.com/public/JewishBelarus

[M.O'Connor]

That sounds encouraging. Maybe in the future.... Right now I don't have the time to devote to it.



C'mon...c'mon 147..