Batch 147 created

[M.O'Connor]

I don't thnk I had the program to open the file. Was it Excell?(sp)

I just have the home version windows xp.

[melissa]

Did you see my last post in that IF YOU ARE ONE, BE ONE thread?

I was checking my numbers against Ken Nordvedt's Varieties of R1b chart (for the first 25 markers, anyway).

snip.

where is Ken's R1b site? I have been to his I1a pages a bazillion times but I need to help with explaining some R1bs to participants.

And I have 4 corgis. They are well trained, the best couch potatoes I've ever seen.

[melissa]

And I can understand that max wants us to be patient, and to wait calmly for results but I think we as humans each think the world revolves around each of us personally, and I want the results in NOW for the 12 marker kit I've been waiting for.... that took me over a year to find a person of that line to test, and now I have to WAIT???? PATIENTLY???? ARGH



OK, I do understand, really.

[melissa]

OK, I'm dense. ken's R1b page is linked to from the I1a main page.

[DMac]

I don't thnk I had the program to open the file. Was it Excell?(sp)

I just have the home version windows xp.

Yes, it's an xls (Excel) file. You've got a windows machine and most have 'Works' if you do not have Excel.

Open up your 'Works' spreadsheet program. Click on 'File' in the upper left corner....then click on 'Open'. Copy and paste this... http://www.northwestanalysis.net/R1bModals.xls where it says 'File Name'. You may get a message saying the document is read-only or open by another application or user...click 'Okay'. A window opens up saying 'Import Excel Spreadsheet'. Sheet 1 should be highlighted...click 'OK'. Another message window may open up here...just click 'OK'.

If that doesn't work, and you do have Works, send me a private message with your email address and I'll convert it and send it to you for free.

[efgen]

Microsoft has a free Excel Viewer that you can download:

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/officeupdate/CD011347961033.aspx

[Stevo]

Did you see my last post in that IF YOU ARE ONE, BE ONE thread?

I was checking my numbers against Ken Nordvedt's Varieties of R1b chart (for the first 25 markers, anyway).

So far I match R1b-Frisian and R1b-Norwegian exactly on 20 out of 25 markers. No other modal haplotypes come anywhere near as close.

I have a couple of weird marker values that none of the modals match.

There is one value I have that only R1b-East matches.

Strange.

Maybe all that will change when my last 12 markers come in.

I made a slight mistake when evaluating my numbers with Nordtvedt's R1b chart.

I actually have 21 of the exact values for the R1b-Frisian3 modal haplotype, not just 20.

23 repeats at DYS 390 is unique to the Frisian modal haplotype, and that is what I have. 24 repeats at 447 is nearly unique to R1b-Frisian (only one other modal shares that value there), and I have that, as well.

How that squares with my near matches with folks who claim ancestry in Wales is somewhat baffling, unless A) DMac was right, and my ancestor was one of those Flemish weavers in Wales, or B) my ancestor was one of the Frisians who were among the Anglo-Saxon invaders of Britain.

I don't know how the rest of my markers will change the picture, though.

Maybe the Welsh near matches will fade at 37 markers. I imagine they will, since the people involved do not share my surname.

I wonder what all this stuff really means, but it is fun puzzling it out.

I wish I could get some Dutch Stevenses to submit dna tests (Stevens is a common name in the Netherlands).

[M.O'Connor]

It is fun and harmless to think of all the possibilities that could have led to your ancestor getting to where he did.

What did you think of the N/W chinese City they found?

And the caucasian guys with pigtails.?
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[Stevo]

It is fun and harmless to think of all the possibilities that could have led to your ancestor getting to where he did.

What did you think of the N/W chinese City they found?

And the caucasian guys with pigtails.?
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I didn't see it until you mentioned it just now.

Very cool.

I noticed that ancient city is in Uyghur country: the Takla Makan Desert.

R1b/R1a country.

Have you downloaded that Excel program so you can check your numbers against Nordtvedt's R1b modals?

It might be interesting.

Maybe you're an R1b-East, and that is why you match that Uyghur.

[M.O'Connor]

no i didn't load the excel.

I think i have it on disc someplace. I'll have to check.

[JTCullen]

Hi everyone, I see the old forum's still going strong - and Stevo's in a much better mood than when I saw him last!

Ken Nordvedt's site is a good resource. I used his material to find my "I" haplogroup. Mine turns out to be very extremely rare; so rare that I have NO matches on a 12 marker comparison until I go with a four step difference.

Turns out I'm an I1b2* and probably a I1b2*-A at that. Our happy little haplo is about 1/2 of 1% of all the "I" folks out there. The origin is the coastal area of N Germany and Netherlands. Funny, there's a city right there in the middle - Cologne - and we know there's a line of Cullen originating there that still survives. My family's home in England for half a millenium (Upton by Southwell, Notts) is right in the middle of the Danelaw which just also happens to be one of the areas that has a high concentration of my haplogroup. Where the Danish invaders moved in to settle the latter half of the first millenium.

Very interesting stuff and well worth the money. This is information I couldn't have found any other way. Stevo, you gotta be just about jumping out of your skin with all the new stuff you're finding out about yourself! I know I am!

Cheers everyone - I would say enjoy your results but you guys are WAY ahead of me!

[M.O'Connor]

I don't know about that...i'll tell ya when i get my results...

[Stevo]

Hi everyone, I see the old forum's still going strong - and Stevo's in a much better mood than when I saw him last!

Ken Nordvedt's site is a good resource. I used his material to find my "I" haplogroup. Mine turns out to be very extremely rare; so rare that I have NO matches on a 12 marker comparison until I go with a four step difference.

Turns out I'm an I1b2* and probably a I1b2*-A at that. Our happy little haplo is about 1/2 of 1% of all the "I" folks out there. The origin is the coastal area of N Germany and Netherlands. Funny, there's a city right there in the middle - Cologne - and we know there's a line of Cullen originating there that still survives. My family's home in England for half a millenium (Upton by Southwell, Notts) is right in the middle of the Danelaw which just also happens to be one of the areas that has a high concentration of my haplogroup. Where the Danish invaders moved in to settle the latter half of the first millenium.

Very interesting stuff and well worth the money. This is information I couldn't have found any other way. Stevo, you gotta be just about jumping out of your skin with all the new stuff you're finding out about yourself! I know I am!

Cheers everyone - I would say enjoy your results but you guys are WAY ahead of me!

Congratulations, JT!

Sounds like you've been doing your homework.

I'm still a Batch 147 baby: markers 26-37 aren't due until June 2.

Still, I have the first 25 blocks to play with, and they've been loads of fun thus far!

Looks like I'm R1b-Frisian, but I won't really be able to confirm that until I get the rest of my markers and really not until I have the deep clade test run (which I will probably order come payday).

The paper trail ends at my paternal ggg-grandfather, but I know that his mother was a Dutch-American (her paternal line was Danish, however). This makes me suspect that his father was also Dutch-American, 1) because the odds are I am R1b-Frisian, and 2) Stevens is a common surname in the Netherlands (spelled just as my family has always spelled it: with a "v").

Then there is the pesky anomaly of my near matches with some people whose ancestors came from Wales. DMac already mentioned that Flemish weavers were settled in Wales following the Norman Conquest, and that could account for the families there whose y-dna resembles mine at 25 markers.

It's all very fun and fascinating, however it turns out.

I wish Nordtvedt would do a write-up on the various R1b modal haplogroups like the one he has done for the I haplogroups. Still, he is an I1a guy himself, so I am grateful for the work that he has done. (I have I1a in two and possibly three of my family lines that I know of, and I just discovered that another one may be R1a).

[JTCullen]

Originally Posted by Stevo
Then there is the pesky anomaly of my near matches with some people whose ancestors came from Wales. DMac already mentioned that Flemish weavers were settled in Wales following the Norman Conquest, and that could account for the families there whose y-dna resembles mine at 25 markers.

I know what you mean there. I have a couple unusual values at some slow-moving markers that sort of set me apart from the others in my subclade. There are so few of us though (about 40) that this may just be due to chance. I'm told I really don't need a deep clade test, my I1b2* has a very clear fingerprint but, there may be upstream markers soon discovered and I'll definitely want a verification on all this. I'm finding too that I may want to extend to 37 markers since some distinctive markers for my related subclades show up in that later set of STR's.

I haven't even signed up for the deep clade yet - because of the required markers, I'll probably have to go with Ethnoancestry. I'd rather keep all my tests with one company. I have plenty to keep me busy right now though so we'll see what pops up in the future of deep clade tests at FTDNA.

Stevo, you gave me a good idea... I'll have to see if there's still any of my surname still around in the areas surrounding Cologne in Germany. More to do already! Really good to see you so happy with your test results. I suspect you aren't sweating the upgrade like you were your first set of 25!

[Stevo]

I know what you mean there. I have a couple unusual values at some slow-moving markers that sort of set me apart from the others in my subclade. There are so few of us though (about 40) that this may just be due to chance. I'm told I really don't need a deep clade test, my I1b2* has a very clear fingerprint but, there may be upstream markers soon discovered and I'll definitely want a verification on all this. I'm finding too that I may want to extend to 37 markers since some distinctive markers for my related subclades show up in that later set of STR's.

I haven't even signed up for the deep clade yet - because of the required markers, I'll probably have to go with Ethnoancestry. I'd rather keep all my tests with one company. I have plenty to keep me busy right now though so we'll see what pops up in the future of deep clade tests at FTDNA.

Stevo, you gave me a good idea... I'll have to see if there's still any of my surname still around in the areas surrounding Cologne in Germany. More to do already! Really good to see you so happy with your test results. I suspect you aren't sweating the upgrade like you were your first set of 25!

I am so ecstatic right now with what I've received already, that I am at peace. I do want to do the deep clade test, but I don't think the wife would spare my life if I spent the money for a new test with Ethnoancestry.

The extra $79 to go with FTDNA I can get past her; much more than that would be risking life and limb!

I have a couple of strange markers myself that don't fit any of the R1b modals, but Frisian and Norwegian are far and away my closest. None of the others match my haplotype nearly so well.

Good luck around Koeln (Cologne). I have a good friend there.

If you need help deciphering German, I read it pretty well.