Batch 147 created

[sitiv1]

stupid haplogroup things to do

I always assumed that the Trojans were J2's. (I'm one myself).
Anatolia and all that.

It makes for a nice twist on watching Brad Pitt stomp people in "Troy"
Whenever he pops out of that horse, I can be heard sobbing in the background, "My people, my people, how could they have fallen for this?"

Of course with all the mystery about where these groups actually were at any time, I can cheer for Brad Pitt the next time I watch the movie.
Since all the people on both sides of the movie seem to speak English, that probably means that they were all Rb1's...

After reading that recent paper by Sengupta, I'm starting to think that J2 came through the Middle East from India on the way to Europe rather than from the Middle East. If J2's were in India 14000 years ago, it gives plenty of time for them to get back to Iraq and Iran to start farming in the Fertile Cresent.

About all anyone agrees on is that the J2's taught all those backward Rb1's in Europe how to farm.

steve

[Stevo]

sitiv1 -

Can you provide a link to that paper by Sengupta that you mentioned?

Is he arguing that Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro are older than the city-states of Mesopotamia?

On that other subject you mentioned: I always thought the Trojans were just another group of Greeks (Ionians perhaps?) who fell afoul of the Mycenaeans.

But who knows?

[Stevo]

Good night, and goodbye to May 10!

Good night all!

Another day of waiting is done.

C'mon 147!

[sitiv1]

Sengupta

The Sengupta paper appears and then disappears on the web. I'll see if I can chase down a pdf.
He comes to the surprising conclusion that the oldest J2's, as measured by haplogroup diversity, are in Northern India. Similar arguments have been made earlier about other haplogroups. Many people assumed that the J and R haplogroups in northern India have to do with the Aryan invasion. Sengupta has data that suggests that they may have already been there for thousands of years before any "invasion". As I reread it, I am slowly being convinced he is right, however I still want to crunch some numbers and look at correlations between the J's on one end of the range and the J's on the other end.
I know smarter people than me have looked at this, but it looks like I could find out a little more about where our family fits in.

http://isogg.org/tree/index.html has links to all the good J papers. I'm having trouble loading Sengupta tonight; either I'm overly secure on my browser, or they've restricted access. Give it a try from their link.
I hope folks get results overnight; I've got to get to bed. I have 150 smiling faces to greet in the morning (middle school teacher)
steve

[JTCullen]

Well, the 10'th came and went and no early results. So much for averages!!! I should've known, Batch 147 is nowhere near average anyway! But it will come soon - we've waited this long, we can wait a little longer.
But not too long... I'll mutate again before I find out what I am now!!!

Uh-oh.... the Earth - she trembles - Mr Denning approaches to shower us with wise counsel of patience and silence! It just wouldn't be fun if we didn't give you a little guff from time to time, Jim.

C'mon 147 - almost there! (Still a chance to be kinda early)

[M.O'Connor]

May 11...and 11 days to go...


Waiting for results has given me a whole new outlook..I can now find pleasure in things like watching paint dry. The possibilities are endless

Thank-you FTDNA.

Where is Denning the Jailer?...I think i hear him comming jingling the keys to our waiting-cells. will the "result doors" be opened today?

At least we are in this together! Solitary confinement i could do without!

[Stevo]

The Sengupta paper appears and then disappears on the web. I'll see if I can chase down a pdf.
He comes to the surprising conclusion that the oldest J2's, as measured by haplogroup diversity, are in Northern India. Similar arguments have been made earlier about other haplogroups. Many people assumed that the J and R haplogroups in northern India have to do with the Aryan invasion. Sengupta has data that suggests that they may have already been there for thousands of years before any "invasion". As I reread it, I am slowly being convinced he is right, however I still want to crunch some numbers and look at correlations between the J's on one end of the range and the J's on the other end.
I know smarter people than me have looked at this, but it looks like I could find out a little more about where our family fits in.

http://isogg.org/tree/index.html has links to all the good J papers. I'm having trouble loading Sengupta tonight; either I'm overly secure on my browser, or they've restricted access. Give it a try from their link.
I hope folks get results overnight; I've got to get to bed. I have 150 smiling faces to greet in the morning (middle school teacher)
steve

Thanks, Steve. I'll give that site a good searching after school today (another middle school teacher).

[Stevo]

Well, the 10'th came and went and no early results. So much for averages!!! I should've known, Batch 147 is nowhere near average anyway! But it will come soon - we've waited this long, we can wait a little longer.
But not too long... I'll mutate again before I find out what I am now!!!

Uh-oh.... the Earth - she trembles - Mr Denning approaches to shower us with wise counsel of patience and silence! It just wouldn't be fun if we didn't give you a little guff from time to time, Jim.

C'mon 147 - almost there! (Still a chance to be kinda early)

Maybe we have a larger than average batch?

Accuracy, that's the thing . . . but I would like to see my results sometime soon.

I think we're already mutants, JT.

[Stevo]

May 11...and 11 days to go...


Waiting for results has given me a whole new outlook..I can now find pleasure in things like watching paint dry. The possibilities are endless

Thank-you FTDNA.

Where is Denning the Jailer?...I think i hear him comming jingling the keys to our waiting-cells. will the "result doors" be opened today?

At least we are in this together! Solitary confinement i could do without!

All very true. We are certainly learning to be patient.

Let's face it, though: we haven't learned our lesson very well.

I totally agree with your "solitary confinement" comment. I'm glad there are some good-humored folks in Batch 147 with me. That is what has made this thread so much fun and the wait bearable.

[Jim Denning]

I always assumed that the Trojans were J2's. (I'm one myself).
Anatolia and all that.


About all anyone agrees on is that the J2's taught all those backward Rb1's in Europe how to farm.

steve

when joseph died in eygpt he had probably riegned 30-40 yrs at most that leaft 360 yrs left for the hebrews to live in eygpt til the deliver. who took the septre? well the right to the septre was judahs. who was the first born of judea. zarah was the first born. the bible refers to solomon as being a king showing the wisdom of the sons of sarah. but why no other mention of them. well they reigned 240 yrs after josepg til the paroh who knew not joseph came. This pharoh enslaved the hebrew who where still there.
secular historians say there was a first exodus by sea from eygpt.
Just like today rulers flee and workers are enslaved [commonfolk] these rulers sailed to different places in the medditerainian. look at the founding names and the names of the sons of zarah. youll see the simulairities one such place was troy. the kings of troy where decended from zarah. as were the Iberians and others
so yeah the trojans would of been J'S So would most of the greeks
and for you pbs nova watchers this could be the reason for greek symbols on temple tools

[melissa]

OT - How long should it take for 'bulk mail' to project participants..

to get delivered from the mail feature in our projects? I sent something out this morning, did have a computer glitch of sorts, and I still don't have my copy of the post yet. I want to resend it, but not if it would mean double-bugging.

La la la la la de da...

Ok, and while I have your attention, isn't Batch 145 the first in include the 37 to 59 marker tests?

I am SO tired of waiting for 147 to get posted, I think I'm going to go on strike! YES! From now until Batch 147 is complete, I will NOT do any dishes, nor vacuum, nor do any laundry! Oh wait, I don't do any of that now.

[lgmayka]

Ok, and while I have your attention, isn't Batch 145 the first in include the 37 to 59 marker tests?

Yes, and I in batch 146 am slightly annoyed by that.

I ordinarily go directly to my own FTDNA Web page, which of course does not have announcements. I did not find out about the 22 new markers until batch 145 had already closed. So my date for the 59-marker upgrade is May 15.

Hey, maybe FTDNA is doing our two batches of 59-marker upgrades together?

[melissa]

Of course they are! At least for you, I wish they were. Our project is waiting for something in each of 145, 146 and 147. I'll take any of them today, please!

[M.O'Connor]

Yes..they needed a few experimental people before the 147 batch .

[melissa]

I suppose I should check and remove the duplicate results from DNA-F on my Dad's ysearch for when batch 145 gets the results posted later today.