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Old 8th July 2014, 08:44 PM
Dawn Dawn is offline
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Haplogroup doesn't match my ancestry

I'm new to this, so bear with me.

I ordered a kit for my full brother, started with the Y-DNA 12 marker test. After weeks of waiting, FtDNA pins me down to the Q Haplogroup, but decides they need to do further backbone testing. I'm all for accuracy so I wait 8 more weeks for it to finish.

Here's what they say is the final results:

Your Confirmed Haplogroup is Q-M3

Haplogroup Q1a3a1 is the only lineage strictly associated with native American populations. This haplogroup is defined by the presence of the M3 mutation...


Here is my problem -- no one on my paternal side is Native American. I'm the second generation born in the US on my dad's side. My grandfather was born in Germany, his father was born in the same town in Germany, and prior to that it was Austria.

I am not understanding this right? FtDNA specifically says

"Haplogroup Q1a3a1 is the only lineage strictly associated with native American populations."


I'm totally confused at this point. What should I do?
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Old 8th July 2014, 10:14 PM
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It sounds like your sample may have been switched with someone else's. See the following forum post about that very issue that happened in 2013. The customer wrote:
"It was very clear that neither the FF or mtDNA results were those of my relative. The FF results did not match known close relatives and matched an unknown person as parent/child! In addition the ethinicity was totally wrong. The mtDNA had exact Full Sequence matches with several individuals from a remote country. Since the tests did not fail and the results were from 2 differect batches, the only explanation I can think of is a sample mix up before tests were performed. FTDNA have admitted a 'lab error' and have sent a new test kit."

So mixups do happen on occasion. I'm no expert, but with your German background, it seems quite odd to be placed in the Q-Haplogroup. You might want to contact FTDNA and speak to a specialist about it.
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Old 8th July 2014, 10:45 PM
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I am not understanding this right? FtDNA specifically says

"Haplogroup Q1a3a1 is the only lineage strictly associated with native American populations."


I'm totally confused at this point. What should I do?
First, a small correction to FTDNA's assertion: Q-M3 does occur in Siberia, at a low frequency.

There are several approaches you can take to solving this mystery.

1) You could check to see whether the 12 markers are compatible with the Q-M3 SNP result. If not, it is only the SNP result that's wrong. FTDNA runs a so-called backbone test in such cases, and that test has a higher error rate than others--some obvious backbone-test goofups are still "on the books" because no one has bothered to complain.

2) You could check your paper genealogy more carefully to see whether Native American patrilineage really is a possibility (e.g., through a poorly documented or undocumented adoption).

3) For customers who doubt their DNA results, FTDNA typically offers a kind of double-or-nothing gamble: You pay $50 to retest. If the result is different from the first time, FTDNA refunds your $50 (and presumably tracks down the root cause of the error); if the second result is identical to the first, FTDNA keeps the $50. If you do this, though, you will probably want FTDNA to use a new sample.
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Old 8th July 2014, 11:06 PM
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Thank you so much for your replies.

My dad and his twin brother are definitely not adopted, this I know for sure. I have my grandfather's death certificate, as well as his military records, and immigration records. He went back to Germany several times when he lived in the U.S., he was visiting family. All the rest of my paternal great aunts and cousins were in East Germany as well.

So it's definitely a matter of a mix-up, or they did something wrong.

Oddly enough, before I knew the result came in, Rebekah contacted me, asking me for the past 3 generations of lineage.

I will definitely call tomorrow to see what they suggest too.
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Old 9th July 2014, 03:41 AM
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Rebekah Canada and Roberta Estes are both very experienced in this area so it might discussing it with them.

The result could be correct as parent group Q is known in Europe.
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Old 9th July 2014, 04:53 AM
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Rebekah Canada and Roberta Estes are both very experienced in this area so it might discussing it with them.

The result could be correct as parent group Q is known in Europe.
that's very true,maybe it's the first result for M3 in Europe, the brother clade is found in Germany: ◦Q1a2a1a2 (L804): found in Germany, Scandinavia and Britain (possibly Hunnic)

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml
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Old 9th July 2014, 05:26 AM
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My Eggleston family from Settrington in Yorkshire, England is also a member of the Q haplogroup. I understand that something like 1% of the English belong to the Q group. I surmise that since about 5% of Scandinavians belong to the Q haplogroup, this was probably brought to the Isles by the Vikings.

Timothy Peterman
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Old 9th July 2014, 05:34 AM
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The Eggleston family is now classed on ISOGG as Q1a2a1c1, which makes the terminal SNP L329* & L332*

All of the American Q1a2a1c1 Egglestons are descended from Bygod Eggleston, born in Settrington in 1587 & moved to Windsor, CT, where he died in 1674.

Timothy Peterman
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Old 9th July 2014, 05:45 AM
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I'm new to this, so bear with me.

I ordered a kit for my full brother, started with the Y-DNA 12 marker test. After weeks of waiting, FtDNA pins me down to the Q Haplogroup, but decides they need to do further backbone testing. I'm all for accuracy so I wait 8 more weeks for it to finish.

Here's what they say is the final results:

Your Confirmed Haplogroup is Q-M3

Haplogroup Q1a3a1 is the only lineage strictly associated with native American populations. This haplogroup is defined by the presence of the M3 mutation...


Here is my problem -- no one on my paternal side is Native American. I'm the second generation born in the US on my dad's side. My grandfather was born in Germany, his father was born in the same town in Germany, and prior to that it was Austria.

I am not understanding this right? FtDNA specifically says

"Haplogroup Q1a3a1 is the only lineage strictly associated with native American populations."


I'm totally confused at this point. What should I do?
Haplogroup Q is a brother of R so it is not unusual that it is found in Europeans also. I said it a long time ago that I thought that R and Q may have originated in Austria.
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Old 9th July 2014, 05:23 PM
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I'm on the phone with them now, on hold. She kept telling me it's because there was a non-paternal event like an adoption. I told her that's impossible because I have all the legal documents (death certificates, birth certificates, etc) that show the last 3 generations of genealogy.

She put me on hold.....will report back.
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