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Old 19th March 2015, 03:27 PM
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When I first tested my Y-DNA to twelve markers I was predicted as R-M269 then as I tested farther, the prediction went to R-L21. Now I'm back at M269 with 67 markers tested. I understand why the prediction went one way and now is stepping back. And at this point I think I'll just leave it as the 111 marker test just costs too much. Maybe someday I'll see a point to digging really deeply into my genetics, but at the moment I'm interested in my more recent genealogy.
I would go for any meaningful test that would move forward our genealogical research, as our biggest problem is convincing people to test.

There are family branches that nobody tested from...***

W. (Mr.)

*** I cannot prove that, but female researches from those branches told me so. And since we are talking about relationships from the early 17th century (or possibly a little bit earlier), Family Finder cannot be used...
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Old 19th March 2015, 03:27 PM
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I just hope this isn't a ploy to get more cash from the customers.
Come on! It's A LOCK that it is to get more cash from the customers!! LOL!!
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Old 19th March 2015, 11:15 PM
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The changes to the haplotree did not and do not influence lab procedures, and are not related to the testing backlog. Should you have any concerns regarding placing an order that for a SNP you think you will be negative for please contact the helpdesk (email turn around is almost to normal levels) and someone will be able to assist.

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Old 20th March 2015, 05:58 PM
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New R haplogroup classification moots an SNP test?

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I was re-classified from R-173 to R-M269. I have a P-25 SNP result due in the next few weeks. This test now appears pointless. What options do I have in cancelling or requesting a refund for this test?
I'd advise canceling the SNP test. Phylogenetically, P25 is R1b1; M269 is R1b1a2. P25 is upstream of your R-M269 prediction and if it goes through, you'll be stuck with the label until you test M269 &/or downstream SNPs.

Let's take FTDNA at its word: The R-M269 prediction is 100% reliable. And, it's been my experience that when they make that call it's right.

If you want to test just oone SNP, why not L173 which was your earlier prediction?
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Old 21st March 2015, 02:08 AM
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I too was surprised to find my R-L21 gone and replaced with R-M269 (or something). The change is misleading because I know from 23andme and from ancestry.com raw results filtered through Prometheus that R-L21 is the correct one.

I have a SNP test on order to try to get a lower terminal SNP than R-L21, but this business of going in the wrong direction (albeit temporarily) is annoying.
I'm currently waiting on my R-L21 SNP result which was based on their prediction however like you mine has gone back to R-M269. If its a negative result I'm going to be quite angry.
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Old 21st March 2015, 06:09 AM
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I'm currently waiting on my R-L21 SNP result which was based on their prediction however like you mine has gone back to R-M269. If its a negative result I'm going to be quite angry.
If the results is negative it will prove that they were justified in moving your prediction back. If it is positive this will prove that their earlier prediction was correct in your case. And this is going to make you "quite angry". Don't you want FTDNA's prediction of Haplogroups to be correct 100% of the time? I do!

I say THANK YOU to FTDNA for being big enough to say, "We made a mistake, we are sorry, we'll try to do better"!
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Old 21st March 2015, 02:23 PM
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If the results is negative it will prove that they were justified in moving your prediction back. If it is positive this will prove that their earlier prediction was correct in your case. And this is going to make you "quite angry". Don't you want FTDNA's prediction of Haplogroups to be correct 100% of the time? I do!

I say THANK YOU to FTDNA for being big enough to say, "We made a mistake, we are sorry, we'll try to do better"!
If it's correct 100% of the time, it wouldn't be a prediction. FTDNA's predictions, correct or not, are not worth jack. If you are R1b-M269, predicted or confirmed, whoop-de-doo, it means little. Everybody need to test for SNPs in order to refine your haplogroup and get away from this prediction junk.
Joe B
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Old 21st March 2015, 04:57 PM
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If it's correct 100% of the time, it wouldn't be a prediction. FTDNA's predictions, correct or not, are not worth jack. If you are R1b-M269, predicted or confirmed, whoop-de-doo, it means little. Everybody need to test for SNPs in order to refine your haplogroup and get away from this prediction junk.
Joe B
Testing for SNPs is the only way to get a correct and proven result for haplogroup and subclade.

That being said, if FTDNA strongly emphasizes testing SNPs and de-emphasizes relying on their predictions, you'll surely see an outcry from those who complain that FTDNA is trying to soak them for more money. They get criticized for just giving a prediction and they'll get criticized for suggesting customers spend more money for a SNP test. We all know that's true.

I think it's best that FTDNA gives a prediction for the haplogroup, to the best of their ability. Those who are really interested in knowing their most downstream subclade will pay for SNP testing, maybe Big Y. Those who couldn't care less about their haplogroup, maybe because they're only interested in finding a close match to break down a brick wall, will just ignore the haplogroup prediction in most cases.

People have different reasons for testing and need different levels of testing to get the answer they're looking for. To each his own.
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Old 21st March 2015, 05:25 PM
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If it's correct 100% of the time, it wouldn't be a prediction. FTDNA's predictions, correct or not, are not worth jack. If you are R1b-M269, predicted or confirmed, whoop-de-doo, it means little. Everybody need to test for SNPs in order to refine your haplogroup and get away from this prediction junk.
Joe B
If it hasn't been SNP tested it is a prediction.
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Old 22nd March 2015, 07:01 PM
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I don't think my predicted group ever went anywhere besides R-M269.

However, in browsing my raw data from 23andme, I got the following:


intergenic 15654428 rs11799226 C or G My Result: G


I'm assuming until told otherwise that is R-L21+
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