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Old 21st November 2015, 05:47 PM
Alexander Alexander is offline
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Dear Douglas

and may be you know better the notation, as I do not understend what do ++CC ++AA -- -CC mean in my haplotype notation. If yes, maybe you can explain me.

And here is two kit numbers
75930 for another V20
and
267260 for V19

Did you measure your time distance from them?

With respect,
Alexander
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Old 21st November 2015, 08:47 PM
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Dear Douglas

and may be you know better the notation, as I do not understend what do ++CC ++AA -- -CC mean in my haplotype notation. If yes, maybe you can explain me.

And here is two kit numbers
75930 for another V20
and
267260 for V19

Did you measure your time distance from them?

With respect,
Alexander

Alexander,

Kit#267260 does not have T16093C that I have, so thats make us a (3) step match including my (2) heteroplasmies.

Kit#75930 does not have T16362C, C150T, 309.1C that I have, and I do not have A16129G, C16256T, C16294T, so 6 step match.

I did some checking on ++CC, ++AA and --CC, and did not find an answer, but I will do some further checking.

Best regards, Doug
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Old 22nd November 2015, 12:57 AM
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Dear Douglas

and may be you know better the notation, as I do not understend what do ++CC ++AA -- -CC mean in my haplotype notation. If yes, maybe you can explain me.

And here is two kit numbers
75930 for another V20
and
267260 for V19

Did you measure your time distance from them?

With respect,
Alexander

Alexander,

I did some checking and found a dna report for a guy and his 309 had CCs and they described it in a chart as Nucleotide change, "insertion" C>CC. I think your ++AA is also an insertion, nucleotide change A>AA. Your --CC is probably a deletion Nucleotide change. I could be wrong about this, so ask an expert.

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Old 22nd November 2015, 03:05 PM
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Dear Cooleagues!

My name is Alexander, I was typed as V20

Here are my mutations
HVR1 Mutations
A16129G + CC
T16187C + CC
C16189T 0
T16223C 0
G16230A 0
C16256T + AA
T16278C 0
C16294T - CC
C16311T + AA
C16519T 0

HVR2 Mutations
T72C --
G73A + AA
C146T 0
C152T + TT
C195T + TT
A247G + GG
522.1A 0
522.2C 0
315.1C 0

Is it real V20?

If some V20's (or people who are concerned or interested in V clan history and present) are in the forum, let's be in touch!!


With respect,
Alexander
Alexander, that notation is not familiar to me. It looks like it might show your results as if they were a homozygous genotype (like we see in autosomal DNA). Then the 0's might mean you have no difference from the CRS and the +'s mean you do have a difference. But the locations listed don't really match what you would see in V20. So I'm baffled.

If you are indeed V20, there are only two sequences in Genbank, one from Norway and one with no location listed.
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Old 22nd November 2015, 04:21 PM
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V20

Dear Ann!

Thanks a lot. For the sake of the project, I have already asked the firm to explain me the notation, so I'll publish its meaning.

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Alexander
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Old 22nd November 2015, 04:33 PM
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Dear Douglas

Thank you very much for your efforts!

I sent recently the question to the firm, so let's wait the answer, I will put in in the forum

In my opinion, I suppose our mito-haplogroups fell apart in the Neolithic or Mesolithic central Europe. Many sublcades of V are found in different Russian population, but in scarce quantities. I'll keep you informed.

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Old 22nd November 2015, 04:48 PM
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Dear Douglas

Thank you very much for your efforts!

I sent recently the question to the firm, so let's wait the answer, I will put in in the forum

In my opinion, I suppose our mito-haplogroups fell apart in the Neolithic or Mesolithic central Europe. Many sublcades of V are found in different Russian population, but in scarce quantities. I'll keep you informed.

With respect,
Alexander
Alexander,

Excellent, I am interested in what you find out, because we do have common ancestry, somewhere back in time.

Best regards, Doug
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Old 23rd November 2015, 07:25 AM
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Alexander,

I thought since you are V20 and I am V19, that we would match closely on mutations, however we appear to be at least a 6 step match, so our haplogroups must be at least 9000 yrs apart?

Best regards, Doug
The fact that V19 and V20 are close numerically is a red herring. All you know is that your common ancestor founded haplogroup V. The same would apply to any subclade: V3 or V11 or V15. The number portion is more-or-less in order of discovery, so the higher numbers are often less common.

http://www.mtdnacommunity.org/human-...phylogeny.aspx

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Old 23rd November 2015, 09:02 AM
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The fact that V19 and V20 are close numerically is a red herring. All you know is that your common ancestor founded haplogroup V. The same would apply to any subclade: V3 or V11 or V15. The number portion is more-or-less in order of discovery, so the higher numbers are often less common.

http://www.mtdnacommunity.org/human-...phylogeny.aspx
Ann,

Thanks for clearing that up. I had thought that V20 branched off of V19. Their chart shows the branches and what mutations define each branch. Okay, so these are just numbered in order of discovery, and the higher number less common. So, since Alexander & myself have (6) mutations that are different, and each mutation=1500 yrs then our common ancestor would have lived about 9000 yrs ago?

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Old 23rd November 2015, 04:37 PM
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Dear Ann and Douglas!

Now I'm waiting for the results from expert, and I noticed that V20 is the daughter of V-C16298T!. What does the symbol ! mean? What is time distance between the two groups, maybe 3000 years. Maybe V26 is the sister of V20?

The V-C16298T! are concentrated near Scotland! So the scenario of it's transfer to Russian seems for me exciting. Now I'm thinking how could it happen.

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Alexander
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