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Old 9th December 2014, 10:46 PM
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I noticed today in my mtDNA section that there is a new addition in the chart of HVR1 matches. These are from a worldwide database, and not from FTDNA. At least that's the way I understand it. So rather than a new addition to Scotch or English or Irish, they inserted Bahrain with one match. What does that show?, U5 LGM refugium around the Persian Gulf?, white slavery?, or just modern mixing?
Why do you think they are not from FTDNA?

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Old 10th December 2014, 05:18 AM
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Why do you think they are not from FTDNA?

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That's just a conclusion I reached years ago; I forget why. Except that that chart of HVR1 matches, for example, does not match my FTDNA HVR1 matches elsewhere. I mean, you have your FTDNA matches results, and then you have this separate page ("Ancestral Origins") with different results (numbers don't match). With HVR1 + HVR2, I have 5 matches at FTDNA, but only 2 at Ancestral Origins, and they both are from England. Only one of my five FTDNA matches give an origin in England. The rest are blank or from USA.

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Old 10th December 2014, 09:19 AM
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I was thinking that the map includes those who marked that they do not want to receive e-mails/see HVR1 matches.

And I never paid attention to the pins in North America, Australia or Yemen

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Old 12th December 2014, 01:27 PM
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I'm now using HVR2 mutation 228A (both rCRS & RCRS) as my earliest direct maternal surname in the U5 & U5 (FMS) projects. That takes my direct maternal line back to a generic England. So far, I have not seen any with that mutation from Ireland or Scotland. Even if there are persons with that mutation (U5b) in Ireland, that would likely be Anglo-Irish. Hey, I'd be glad to be proven wrong. Anything is progress at this point. Ultimately, U5b2b2 with 228A could end up coming from France with Huguenots &/or Gypsies. Or it could have come from Scandinavians (Norse & Swedes). And so it goes...
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Old 3rd January 2015, 05:15 PM
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It might be possible that my rather rare HVR1+HVR2 haplotype (assume U5b2b2) were low class indentured servants from west England. One founding female started a clade in Massachussetts in the early-to-mid 1600s. She seems to have come from the Somerset/Bristol region of England. My own direct female line may have gone to Virginia, with daughters (1) Melungeonizing and (2) marrying with Gypsy descendants somehow. Number 1 eventually ending up in Oklahoma, while mine went via NC > KY > IN. Even if with Covington of eastern shore Maryland (from VA), that lineage has 2 or 3 Gypsy-related names in their tree. Another Gypsy-related surname that I see now and then as connected to FF matches is Hawkins. Maybe the renowned maker of the Hawkin's rifle descended from tinkers (metal workers) back in England?
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Old 4th January 2015, 01:08 AM
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It might be possible that my rather rare HVR1+HVR2 haplotype (assume U5b2b2) were low class indentured servants from west England. One founding female started a clade in Massachussetts in the early-to-mid 1600s. She seems to have come from the Somerset/Bristol region of England. My own direct female line may have gone to Virginia, with daughters (1) Melungeonizing and (2) marrying with Gypsy descendants somehow. Number 1 eventually ending up in Oklahoma, while mine went via NC > KY > IN. Even if with Covington of eastern shore Maryland (from VA), that lineage has 2 or 3 Gypsy-related names in their tree. Another Gypsy-related surname that I see now and then as connected to FF matches is Hawkins. Maybe the renowned maker of the Hawkin's rifle descended from tinkers (metal workers) back in England?
I just bumped into a tree at Ancestry who is a distant cousin match to me (Covington). I really didn't think I was actually related (I'm glad I as wrong). Anyway, he does not have a trace South Asian. So that seems to mean that my direct maternal line (U5b2b2) is not connected to Gypsy/Romany. But my Linville > Morgan/Jarman from Wales does have a South Asian trace.

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Old 6th January 2015, 04:12 PM
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One problem in tracing my direct female line back into colonial times is her apparent deliberate break with he own family, leading not only to an alias first name, but also her maiden name. At least it superficially seems that way. Rather than coming from a low class family, she came from a snobby Anglo land-holding family (tobacco). Furthermore, they may have at first been Tories! I'm making this up, but it sure is a plausible scenario. So she burned her bridges behind her and never looked back. But clues are there as to who she really was, including her daughter that was in my maternal line. That daughter named her first child by her mother's real name (Rachel). If I waited around for verifiable data to somehow reveal itself, I'd never get anywhere with my tree.
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Old 23rd February 2015, 11:21 PM
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My HVR1+HVR2 is rather rare. I put together a tree in Massachusetts and area in earliest colonial times a few years ago. There were quite a few daughters in the resulting branches with my HVR1+HVR2. Some are well recorded as to birth, marriage and death. Others, however, only show birth. New England is quite good at keeping records. But if they moved out of the area as children, marriage and death would not be available. I saw one line that went down to Maryland and Tennessee. But that was a male line. Most others simply disappeared off the record. The surnames Davis and Evans, for example started out in MA. So I'm wondering if and whether my direct maternal line really came from New England. Well, it is a possibility to keep in mind.
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Old 2nd March 2015, 02:58 AM
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The surname Lee pops up now and then among surnames people give with their matches. Are any of them connected to General Robert E. Lee? (ha ha). I do have one rare U5b2b2 FMS match (genetic distance of 1) that just popped up in the last couple of days. But his Lee line comes from New England.
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Old 2nd March 2015, 11:07 PM
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The surname Lee pops up now and then among surnames people give with their matches. Are any of them connected to General Robert E. Lee? (ha ha). I do have one rare U5b2b2 FMS match (genetic distance of 1) that just popped up in the last couple of days. But his Lee line comes from New England.
Colonial trees are probably quite interconnected to each other. I bumped into a separate match that also connects to the above New England Lee. That's on either side of 1700.
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