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Old 23rd August 2017, 05:30 PM
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Do you have any 2nd or 3rd cousins that are unexplained to lead you to this possible conclusion?
I was just speculating. My mother was an only child. I mean, I come from a dysfunctional family where we all hated one another. Every time I asked my mother about our family tree she was cross and didn't answer. As for 2nd or 3rd cousins, there is one female line that seems to be related. That line married into Italian(s), at least at one point. Now that side were all Catholics. For some odd reason, my grandmother turned her husband into a Protestant. And that caused him to be treated cooly by his relatives. So I didn't meet them except only in passing. Lots of other things too...
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Old 23rd August 2017, 05:51 PM
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NPE's

Out of wedlock births were a lot more common than most of you see to want to believe. Colonial days were no different. The reason I use Colonial is because I have not been able to go much beyond Colonial. You ain't who you think you are!! I think an unbroken line would be the rare exception that the rule, but then what do I know!!
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Old 23rd August 2017, 09:57 PM
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In my case (above), I found a marriage record online that shows my maternal grandparents married when she was 6 months pregnant. I assume hat record is correct, as seen at Ancestry. Anyway, it took place down in Rockford, Illinois. I mean they lived in Madison, Wisconsin. So it was probably a civil marriage. And it obviously was not in the Catholic church. So the Catholic relatives on his side would have regarded my mother as a bastard, I suppose. My family tree, based mostly on the Ancestry database, is quite full except for my maternal grandfather's branch. Also lacking proof is my direct maternal line prior to 1800 in early USA/colonies.
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Old 23rd August 2017, 10:56 PM
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Out of wedlock births were a lot more common than most of you see to want to believe. Colonial days were no different. The reason I use Colonial is because I have not been able to go much beyond Colonial. You ain't who you think you are!! I think an unbroken line would be the rare exception that the rule, but then what do I know!!
I think it depends on how far back we're going here. If we're going to the most distant ancestor you can confirm realistically by paper trail then an unbroken line isn't all that surprising and neither is a broken line. There are undoubtedly NPEs for many people with confirmed paper trails beyond where their paper trail ends.

There are a number of factors that can result in the perception of there being an NPE. From there actually being an NPE to the family tree not being properly researched.
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Old 7th September 2017, 10:40 AM
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You have to remember that women were regarded as property in many cultures, so women were shared with no "assigned" mate. Women would also be considered as bounty from raids and kept as slaves. 'She' could have already been impregnated by a mate from her other clan and would bring that DNA into her new clan.

In addition, women were FREQUENTLY raped and impregnated by not only unrelated men, but by their family members.
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Old 11th September 2017, 09:01 PM
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The term 'cuckold' may be rather over-used to describe a wide variety of normal situations that have nothing at all to do with marital infidelity, like the assumption of a step-father's surname or an informal adoption.
The authors appear to have lived in a different century.
There are other reasons for non-parental events (NPE) aside from cukoldry; (a) men knowingly married pregnant girls who were "in trouble" to give them "a good name;" (b) adoption, (c) incest.
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The authors appear to have lived in a different century.
There are other reasons for non-parental events (NPE) aside from cukoldry; (a) men knowingly married pregnant girls who were "in trouble" to give them "a good name;" (b) adoption, (c) incest.
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Old 15th October 2017, 03:50 PM
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In the >2000 men Clan Donald project we have numerous paper trail lines, an even more surnamed lines, that go back to
the year 1150. The number of previously unsuspected NPEs is zero. The number of previously suspected ones among the gentry or aristocracy is one. All this of course excludes
VERY close McDonald relatives.


There are plenty of previously known or strongly suspected ones among commoners confirmed by DNA.
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In my case (above), I found a marriage record online that shows my maternal grandparents married when she was 6 months pregnant. I assume hat record is correct, as seen at Ancestry. Anyway, it took place down in Rockford, Illinois. I mean they lived in Madison, Wisconsin. So it was probably a civil marriage. And it obviously was not in the Catholic church. So the Catholic relatives on his side would have regarded my mother as a bastard, I suppose. My family tree, based mostly on the Ancestry database, is quite full except for my maternal grandfather's branch. Also lacking proof is my direct maternal line prior to 1800 in early USA/colonies.
Well, I've finally come to the conclusion that John Schrotz (born in Austria) was not the biological father of my mother. Accepting that makes more sense out of My Origins at FTDNA. But I'll never know who her real biological father was. It was sure good of John Schrotz to have married her mother when she was 6 months pregnant, as per marriage record at Ancestry. Now those matches at Ancestry and FTDNA who are Italian, French-Canadian > Cajun French, and Spanish seem more likely to connect to that mysterious man, or at least some of them. It looks like a New Orleans geographic focus. Since my mother was born in March 1918, that means that romance happened during the summer of 1917 during WWI.

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