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Old 25th October 2017, 12:08 PM
Steph Steph is offline
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3 of the K subclades are predominantly Ashkenazi Jewish. If you have mtDNA matches who tend to be of that background, it may be evidence that you are likely to fall into one of those subclades, which more testing would confirm.

If you do fall into one of those subclades, it's pretty likely, but not certain, that you can trace back to a maternal ancestor who was Jewish.
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Old 14th December 2017, 04:56 AM
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I am K1a13

What does it mean? Who can help me?
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Old 14th December 2017, 11:00 AM
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Bepunkt, according to the Eupedia page for mtDNA haplogroup K, subclade K1a13 is not shown with a location, but a subclade of it, K1a13a, shows "found in Croatia and Spain." K1a13 does not seem to be among the subclades of K that are connected to Jewish ancestry. Do you have any matches at the Full Sequence level? At what genetic distance are they (0, 1, 2, 3)? Do those matches show any location for their earliest known maternal line ancestor? For many, if not most, of your mtDNA matches, the common ancestor will likely be very far back, perhaps too far back to have records.

The haplogroup.org website has a page for K1a13, but also does not show an origin. It is the same for my haplogroup, K1a3 - they are still determining an origin.

You should consider joining the mtDNA project for haplogroup K. Perhaps someone in the Activity Feed (other members of the project) could address your question.
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Old 16th December 2017, 04:20 PM
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thank you for your answer. yes the subclade of K1a13 includes discoveries in croatia and spain. but the countrys are very far away (aboud 2000km). it is completley uncertain if K1a13 belongs to eastern (croatia) or western (spain) europe. rather it shows, that K1a13 migrated trough east europe and west europe. this is usual for the jewish people. other subclades have people like "Scandinavia and Britain" or "Germany, France and the Low Countries"

But croatia and spain??? haha??? 1000 years ago the distance was like a other universe..

what do you think?

I have full sequence Matches with distance 2 (one person) and 3 (12 persons). There are no names from eastern europe. more than the half of the 13 persons are names from spain....

"Do those matches show any location for their earliest known maternal line ancestor?"

1830 ... a spanish name



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Bepunkt, according to the Eupedia page for mtDNA haplogroup K, subclade K1a13 is not shown with a location, but a subclade of it, K1a13a, shows "found in Croatia and Spain." K1a13 does not seem to be among the subclades of K that are connected to Jewish ancestry. Do you have any matches at the Full Sequence level? At what genetic distance are they (0, 1, 2, 3)? Do those matches show any location for their earliest known maternal line ancestor? For many, if not most, of your mtDNA matches, the common ancestor will likely be very far back, perhaps too far back to have records.

The haplogroup.org website has a page for K1a13, but also does not show an origin. It is the same for my haplogroup, K1a3 - they are still determining an origin.

You should consider joining the mtDNA project for haplogroup K. Perhaps someone in the Activity Feed (other members of the project) could address your question.
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Old 16th December 2017, 09:45 PM
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Do the mtDNA Full Sequence matches who show their most distant known ancestor (MDKA) as being from Spain show up on your Matches Map page? The Matches Maps page displays the geographic locations for your and your matches’ earliest known ancestors, and you can go to it by clicking on the link "Matches Map" in the mtDNA section on your "Dashboard" page when you log in. Be sure to use the drop menu at the upper left, to select "mtDNA Full Sequence." Your matches may have specified a maternal MDKA that will show on the Matches Map, but have not put that information in their profile. It's worth checking.

Your mtDNA matches' connection to you may be 1000's of years back, or could be within the last 550 years. How far does your genealogy research go back (how many generations)? Is there anyone from Spain you have found in your maternal line ancestors? Whether you have Spanish ancestry or not, you need to check your mtDNA Full Sequence matches' profiles to see if they have listed any surnames and locations, and if they have, see if any of those occur in your maternal ancestry. See if they have a tree posted at FTDNA and check it. Contact your matches (whether or not they have surnames, locations or a tree) to see if you can figure out a connection to them.

Does the Jewish match you had at the mtDNA Plus level (HVR1 and HVR2) still show as a match on your Full Sequence list of matches)? Since your K1a13 haplogroup is not one of the known Jewish haplogroups, it's unlikely your matrilineal ancestor was Jewish. Did you do the mtDNA tests to find or confirm Jewish ancestry?

You could take the Family Finder test, and see if any of your matches are Jewish; that test only goes back about 250 to 500 years, within genealogical research time.
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Old 17th December 2017, 07:10 AM
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Bepunkt,

An academic paper gives the age of K1a13 as about 3,300 years. That was the Bronze Age, a time of a lot of movement and contact in Europe.

Other academic papers cite cases of K1a13 in Finland, the Netherlands, Croatia, Spain, and one Ashkenazi case. So K1a13 is too widespread to trace your own direct maternal ancestry.
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