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Old 12th March 2016, 05:07 AM
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Haplogroup J2 _A457

Recently,I received a notification about a new 35/37 STR match.

Surname of my new match : Maurizio

View below the surname's distribution in Italy :

http://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-cog...liani/MAURIZIO

1) My first close match was in 2006 and the surname was Penso

33/37 STRs

His most distant ancestor was from : Chioggia,Veneto

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chioggia


2) Then in 2007 another match whose surname was Penzo.

34/37 & 60/67

His most distant ancestor was from Veneto

The surname's distribution in Italy.

http://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-cognomi-italiani/PENZO

So individuals,that have tested positive for A457 in chronological order.

Me (2014),my son (2014),Penso (2015) and Penzo (2016).

Maurizio will also be positive if he decides to test for A457

Maurizio is a 34/37 STR match with Penzo ( whose DNA I manage )

A457's position in the Hap. J2 research tree ( need to do a bit of scrolling )

http://tree.j2-m172.info/?Hg=J2a&V=BasicSub

From now on I will be using this thread only to notify members about A457 (Current status : private SNP )

M67>PF5132>PF7394>PF7395>[A457]

Private SNP:

https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Private_SNP

A457 background information :

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.co...-06/1402073036
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Old 15th March 2016, 06:36 AM
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Recently,I received a notification about a new 35/37 STR match.

Surname of my new match : Maurizio

View below the surname's distribution in Italy :

http://www.cognomix.it/mappe-dei-cog...liani/MAURIZIO

His most distant ancestor was from Loano,Liguria early 1700s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loano

Also this MAURIZIO's surname appears as ( from 1700s onwards )

" Maurizio de Mohrenfeld "
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Old 18th March 2016, 04:35 PM
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Maurizio will also be positive if he decides to test for A457
The person managing his DNA has ordered the A457 test.

I'll let you know when the result is in.
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Old 20th March 2016, 05:59 AM
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I have been informed , that MAURIZIO has joined FTDNA's J2 Y DNA project and you can view his results.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ction=yresults page 3 : near the top of table.

FTDNA lists the match as 35/37 STR, but on comparing Maurizio's and my son's results the only real difference is
on DYS447 ( DYS 464 palindromic region )

Thus I think it is safe to say,that the match should be 36/37 STRs.

I am also 35/37 STR Match with my son - ( difference palindromic region )

Thomas Krahn, who first found A457, is welcome to comment on what I have said above - he is the expert.

Like I have said in a previous message MAURIZIO's surname also has De Mohrenfeld on the end ( 1700s onwards )

So - " Maurizio de Mohrenfeld " also in Austria it is found as " Maurizio Von Mohrenfeld ".

Maurizio's most distant ancestor is from Loano,Liguria - 1710 -1790.

I think,that he has a link with Venice ( but more genealogical research needed on his behalf )

Genealogical records in northern Italy go back further, for the average person, than they do in the south.
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Old 20th March 2016, 12:03 PM
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I feel, that I need to explain a few things in more detail.

My current surname is a locative.

Etymology of Tsirigakis :

Cerigo ( Italian name for Kythera ) > Tsirigo ( how a Greek would pronounce Cerigo ) > Tsirig + akis ( suffix found in Cretan surnames )> Tsirigakis

In other words my surname means : A Cretan hailing from the island of Cerigo/Kythera ( Southern Cerigo was inhabited by many Cretans during the Venetian period )

The " Ts " in my surname is pronounced like the Z in German.

My Y-DNA line ancestor ( plus another ancestral line ) left Cerigo/Crete during the Cretan war of 1645-1669.

Also, my family's oral history says that he was a Captain, and that he travelled to Venetian controlled Corfu with his family.

For about the last decade I have said on different fora, that the weight of the evidence( DNA,historical and genealogical ) suggests that geneflow was from Italy > Greece.

My research is work in progress and there are many aspects of my work that are not in the public domain.

So when I feel comfortable, that I have made more progress then I will say more in public.
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Old 21st March 2016, 01:00 AM
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All of what is written below followed after I was notified about my new match with MAURIZIO

( I have explained in another post why this 35/37 match should be seen as being 36/37 )

Last week I wrote an e-mail to prof.Aspasia Papadaki, the head of state archives in Rethymnon,Crete.

Asking if she had more information regarding the noble Cretan MAURICI ( Maurizio ) family.

* please note , that another colleague of the professors has helped me before hand with this family, but
I'll mention her important contribution at a later date after all the information has been processed *

Prof.Papadaki referred me to her academia.edu work : " Venetian nobles of Crete during the 16th century "

http://tinyurl.com/gnkf2cl ( In Greek )

The Maurici/Maurizio family is mentioned on p 311 -312 and they gained Cretan Noble status on
19th,March,1575 - there were 4 brothers ( Konstantis ,Nicolos,Michel and Manolis )

So now I am trying to see if my Tsirigakis family is connected to the noble Maurici/Maurizio family of Crete.

( Don't forget,that my line has had a surname change - something,that I have mentioned in the past )

This research could take anything from 6 months to two years to complete -I need to go through 50 plus years
of primary source archives
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Old 22nd March 2016, 05:55 PM
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Prof.Papadaki referred me to her academia.edu work : " Venetian nobles of Crete during the 16th century "

http://tinyurl.com/gnkf2cl ( In Greek )

The Maurici/Maurizio family is mentioned on p 311 -312 and they gained Cretan Noble status on 19th,March,1575 - there were 4 brothers ( Konstantis ,Nicolos,Michel and Manolis )
In addition I would like to mention the following ( from ASV and Hellenic institute Venice ) :

Konstantis ( Costantino di Zorzi Maurici ) was a Cretan nobleman, merchant and shipowner.

Also a member of the Greek confraternity of Venice (Scuola di San Niccolò dei Greci)

Konstantis' grandfather Costantino Maurici da Corone moved to Crete in the 1530s.

Corone : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koroni

ASV : http://www.archiviodistatovenezia.it...a.pl?Lingua=en
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Old 24th March 2016, 08:43 AM
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So I have asked the Maurizio De Mohrenfeld or Maurizio Von Mohrenfeld family ,most distant ancestor to-date from Loano,Liguria early 1700s , if they could do further paper trail research in order to see if there is a connection with the Cretan noble family Maurici ( Maurizio )

Personally, I will focus on the Venetian period/Greece - primary source archives " only " - to see if my Tsirigakis line has a connection with the Cretan noble family Maurici (Maurizio )

I will let you know when the Maurizio De Mohrenfeld A457 test result is in.

It will be positive, but good to have it in writing.
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Old 7th April 2016, 09:11 PM
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Maurizio De Mohrenfeld(t)'s ( or Maurizio Von Mohrenfeld ) result is in :

He is positive for A457 ( as expected )

M67>PF5132>PF7394>PF7395>[A457]

So individuals,that have tested positive for A457 in chronological order :

Me ( 2014),My son ( 2014),Penso ( 2015 ),Penzo ( 2016) and now Maurizio De Mohrenfeld(t) (2016)

A457's current status : Private SNP

https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Private_SNP
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Old 9th April 2016, 04:06 AM
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A457 has been added to FTDNA's haplotree.

https://www.familytreedna.com/my/y-dna-haplotree ( J )

PF7394>PF7392>A457

( It's current status is : private SNP as defined by ISOGG

https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Private_SNP )
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