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Old 20th August 2017, 01:59 PM
MMaddi MMaddi is offline
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FTDNA recommended the R1b-M343(xM269) SNP Pack but I hesitated because I did not want to waste money in case it did not cover my specific downtrace SMPs. I decided to budget for the Y67 or or Y-111 later. Based on the discussion, maybe the SMP Pack would have been a good course of action for me since I only know I am R-M269?


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I forgot to answer your question about the SNP pack. The answer is the same one I gave Eddie43. Don't order the R1b-M343(xM269) SNP Pack! The x before M269 means it was designed for people who are M269-, but FTDNA is predicting that you're M269+.

The banner ad you're seeing for the R1b-M343(xM269) SNP Pack is an error that's been brought to FTDNA's attention. They are changing the banner ad for R-M269 men to recommend the right SNP pack, so you may see a different SNP pack recommended now.

However, given that Big Y is on sale until Aug. 31, you should consider ordering that. Read my post on Aug. 12 (#4) about why the Big Y test is a much better SNP test than any SNP pack.
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Old 20th August 2017, 02:08 PM
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Give us the counts for the markers I mentioned. "Extremely similar" depends on what you mean by that. If you differ on just one or two of some of those specific markers, it might point more toward Z326 than Z8.

In fact, Z326 may be more likely. You mention that your paternal line is Puerto Rican. Both Z326 and Z8 are more likely to be found in northern and central Europe, not Spain. But Z8 is heavily concentrated in England, while Z326 has a wider distribution, including some Hispanic paternal lines.
Here are the marker counts requested (among all my other):
DYS390= 23
DYS447= 25
DYS464d= 17
DYS460= 11
H4= 12 (this was as "Y-GATA-H4")

Yes, my earliest historical paternal-line ancestor is from San German, PR, who lived around 1770-1810; Simon Santiago, my GGGGG-Father

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Old 20th August 2017, 03:29 PM
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Here are the marker counts requested (among all my other):
DYS390= 23
DYS447= 25
DYS464d= 17
DYS460= 11
H4= 12 (this was as "Y-GATA-H4")

Yes, my earliest historical paternal-line ancestor is from San German, PR, who lived around 1770-1810; Simon Santiago, my GGGGG-Father

Ceasar
You have the wrong counts for DYS447, DYS464d and H4. It's extremely unlikely that you're Z8+. You also don't seem to be Z326+.

In fact, there's a possibility that you're not even U106+. If you had 67 markers, you could look at DYS492 and that would give you a good idea if you're U106+ or U106-.

The first thing that you should do, if you haven't yet, is join the R1b All Subclades Project at https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1b/about and get advice from the project administrators or by posting in the project activity thread. Given that it's very difficult based on your STR counts to predict your R-M269 subclade, if you want to do some SNP testing, order the right SNP pack (R1b - M343&M269v2 Backbone SNP Pack) or, much better, Big Y while it's on sale this month. SNP packs will only get you down to a subclade that's usually about 1,500-2,000 years old, sometimes a bit less. Big Y will give you SNPs that are under 1,000 years old, including some that are unique to the last several generations of your paternal line.
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Old 20th August 2017, 04:40 PM
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Thank you very much for your help and guidance. I've just requested joining the R1b Project. I will also consider the Big Y test vs the Y-111.
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