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Old 5th July 2017, 08:45 PM
JDJank71 JDJank71 is offline
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Ashkenazi Levite Status

I've done a good deal of research on my own, but I'd love some help if anyone can lend some knowledge.

First, is it even possible to be Ashkenazi Levite (AL) without being Jewish? From what I've read the answer is yes, but if the answer is a clear no, then the rest is mute.

I came across a webpage that outlined the STR of a host of AL that came from the R1a1 (or R-M198) haplogroup. They seemed to be saying they all had the same values on six of the Y-DNA STR. DYS19 = 17 / 388 = 12 / 390 = 25 / 391 = 10 / 392 = 11 / 393 = 13. I match those exactly.

Then further in the article it expanded the STR to include six more...385a/b, 389I&II, 426, and 439. I missed on two of them. Is that a case closed for the answer to my question?

The webpage that I'm getting this from is https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180600/

Are there any other ways to verify this particular lineage?
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Old 5th July 2017, 09:26 PM
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I've done a good deal of research on my own, but I'd love some help if anyone can lend some knowledge.

First, is it even possible to be Ashkenazi Levite (AL) without being Jewish? From what I've read the answer is yes, but if the answer is a clear no, then the rest is mute.

I came across a webpage that outlined the STR of a host of AL that came from the R1a1 (or R-M198) haplogroup. They seemed to be saying they all had the same values on six of the Y-DNA STR. DYS19 = 17 / 388 = 12 / 390 = 25 / 391 = 10 / 392 = 11 / 393 = 13. I match those exactly.

What does MO 2 show---what % AJ-AD. Note that in the Behar paper, AL were close to some Slavic groups

Then further in the article it expanded the STR to include six more...385a/b, 389I&II, 426, and 439. I missed on two of them. Is that a case closed for the answer to my question?

The webpage that I'm getting this from is https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180600/

Are there any other ways to verify this particular lineage?
What does MO 2 show. Note that in the Behar paper, A-Levites were similar to some Slavic groups on Y

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Old 5th July 2017, 11:59 PM
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Note that in the Behar paper, A-Levites were similar to some Slavic groups on Y
Not at all close to Slavs in the more recent explorations of the specific Ashkenazic Levite subclade and its close matches.

https://sites.google.com/site/levitedna/home is the best resource on this topic.

The West Slavic branch of R1a that is found among a tiny fraction of Ashkenazic Jews is something different from the Levite branch.
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Old 6th July 2017, 07:30 PM
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Not at all close to Slavs in the more recent explorations of the specific Ashkenazic Levite subclade and its close matches.

https://sites.google.com/site/levitedna/home is the best resource on this topic.

The West Slavic branch of R1a that is found among a tiny fraction of Ashkenazic Jews is something different from the Levite branch.
Are there different modal haplotypes
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Old 6th July 2017, 07:41 PM
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What does MO 2 show. Note that in the Behar paper, A-Levites were similar to some Slavic groups on Y
What is MO 2? I haven't seen that before.
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Old 6th July 2017, 07:51 PM
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What is MO 2? I haven't seen that before.
Josh means the current version of Family Tree DNA's MyOrigins, which updated its results several months ago. It comes as part of the Family Finder autosomal DNA test. I recommend it.
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Old 6th July 2017, 08:05 PM
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MO lol

New at this...trying screen shot. I realize that the Ashkenazi listed there is 0%, however, it seems that Ashkenazi Levite is it's own group, not exactly related to the Jewish Ash.

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Old 6th July 2017, 08:19 PM
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R1a1a Spreadsheet (from Behar paper)

It seems that my Y-STR values are within the margins for almost everyone of these.

My Y-STR values in FTDNA order:

13, 25, 17, 10, 9-14, 12, 12, 12, 13, 11, 30
16, 10-10, 11, 11, 23, 14, 20, 32, 12-16-16-16
11, 11, 19-23, 17, 15, 18, 19, 40-40, 14, 11

attached is spreadsheet from Behar...

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Old 6th July 2017, 08:30 PM
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it seems that Ashkenazi Levite is it's own group, not exactly related to the Jewish Ash.
Ashkenazic Levite men intermarried regularly with Ashkenazic women who had fathers from all backgrounds whether Levite, Cohen, or non-Levite and non-Cohen.

Autosomally, they score the same.
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Old 6th July 2017, 08:48 PM
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With those marker values, you don't belong to the R1a1a Ashkenazi Levite Y-DNA cluster, which is descended from a single man who lived about 1,500 years ago. (At https://sites.google.com/site/levite...kenazi-levites, you can see the range of marker values found among R1a1a Ashkenazi Levites.) You should join the FTDNA R1a and Subclades project; they'll slot you into a cluster.
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