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  #21  
Old 5th June 2016, 10:06 PM
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My ethnicity is Portuguese.



Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 1.00
Armenian 0.74
Basque 6.14
Central_African -
Central_Euro 2.43
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 1.19
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.78
East_Med 2.21
Eastern_Euro 0.48
Fennoscandian 5.34
French 4.70
Iberian 31.15
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 14.16
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 0.06
North_African 3.54
North_Atlantic 6.67
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 5.34
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic 0.72
Pygmy 0.77
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.49
West_African -
West_Caucasian 5.16
West_Med 5.95
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Old 6th June 2016, 06:46 AM
JohnV JohnV is offline
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MO gives me no Southern European at all so, while I don't really understand the overall picture K36 is painting, I'm happy to see it ranked high here.

K36 SORTED

Iberian 14.25
Italian 14.24
North_Sea 10.10
East_Med 8.54
Central_Euro 8.15
North_Atlantic 7.69
Armenian 5.87
French 4.91
West_Med 4.66
North_Caucasian 4.64
Fennoscandian 3.68
Near_Eastern 3.85
East_Balkan 1.38
East_Central_Euro 1.83
Volga-Ural 1.71
North_African 1.19
West_African 0.75
Arabian 0.69
Basque 0.64
Northeast_African 0.43
West_Caucasian 0.30
Eastern_Euro 0.27
Oceanian 0.20
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Old 6th June 2016, 07:23 AM
Armando Armando is offline
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MO gives me no Southern European at all so, while I don't really understand the overall picture K36 is painting, I'm happy to see it ranked high here.

K36 SORTED

Iberian 14.25
Italian 14.24
You have to score higher in those than other people with your same background in order for it to be meaningful. That is why I think K36 is useless.

This is from the creator of the Eurogenes K36 calculator -

"An important point to keep in mind is not to take the ancestry proportions too literary. If you're, say, English, and you get an Iberian score of 12% this doesn't actually mean you have recent ancestry from Spain or Portugal. What it means is that 12% of your alleles look typical of the reference samples classified as Iberian, and this figure might only indicate recent Iberian admixture if it's clearly higher than those of other English users."

That is from the site where he announced the creation of the Eurogenes K36 calculator - http://bga101.blogspot.com/2013/03/e...-gedmatch.html

Iberians get around 30% Iberian with the Eurogenes K36 calculator so you are far below that level and a German has 6% Iberian and an Irish-German person has 19% Iberian. Your East_Med and Central_Euro is higher than the kits that I looked at. I don't know what north Italians get. What is your known ancestry? What do you get with MO and with other companies?
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Old 6th June 2016, 02:59 PM
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Thanks Armando. I was aware of the elevated Iberian scores thanks to khazaria's earlier post in this thread. I was referring more to the Italian.

On paper I'm 1/2 Southern Italian (Calabrian) on my father's side and on my mother's side 1/2 North Western-Central European mixed with some distant Spanish+North African ancestry (Sephardic??).

MO lists 70% Western and Central European, 28% Asia Minor and 3% North Africa. Y-DNA results pending. DNA Land lists 35% North/Central Europe, 33% Mediterranean Islander, 20% Italian (Bergamo or Tuscan) and 10% Balkan. K13 and K15 align better with my documented ancestry, but contain high levels (25%) of non-Ashkenazy Jewish (Italian, Sephardic or North African Jewish), of which I am skeptical.

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That is why I think K36 is useless.
Dang. I'd like to know one that's free of serious flaws and doesn't require re-testing with another company.
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Old 2nd December 2017, 02:48 AM
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Ashkenazi Jew

99% Ashkenazi on FTDNA

Italian 13.20
East_Med 12.74
Near_Eastern 12.26
Iberian 12.42
Arabian 7.62
Armenian 5.94
North_Caucasian 5.69
French 5.06
North_African 3.61
East_Balkan 3.50
North_Atlantic 3.02
West_Caucasian 2.98
Basque 2.91
East_Central_Euro 1.96
Northeast_African 1.67
West_Med 1.48
Fennoscandian 1.41
North_Sea 1.38
South_Asian 0.74
South_Central_Asian 0.23
Eastern_Euro 0.17
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Old 4th December 2017, 09:55 PM
Frank Kelch Frank Kelch is offline
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Basque 1.09
Central_Euro 4.67
East_Balkan 0.25
East_Central_Euro 3.65
Eastern_Euro 6.36
Fennoscandian 12.24
French 7.13
Iberian 13.93
Italian 13.92
North_Atlantic 15.88
North_Sea 18.62
Volga-Ural 0.53
West_African 1.40
West_Med 0.32
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Old 7th December 2017, 05:17 PM
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My Eurogenes K36 results

Basque 3.18
Central_Euro 7.83
East_Balkan 1.69
East_Central_Euro 7.56
Eastern_Euro 0.44
Fennoscandian 8.11
French 7.63
Iberian 13.77
Italian 11.23
North_Atlantic 16.73
North_Sea 18.22
South_Central_Asian 0.91
West_Caucasian 2.34
West_Med 0.36
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Old 17th December 2017, 05:07 AM
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Central_Euro 5.53
East_Balkan 3.22
East_Central_Euro 7.45
Eastern_Euro 8.83
Fennoscandian 34.59
French 1.62
Iberian 11.26
Italian 1.15
North_Atlantic 7.17
North_Sea 17.51
Volga-Ural 1.66

I believe all that Iberian is something else, but I don't know what it could be. In the old My Origins, I got roughly the same results as K36, though Iberia was lumped in with the French and Italian and placed in west central Europe. Knowing dad's results now, I'm not so sure that's an accurate assessment since it turns out that he has Jewish ancestry from North Africa, Sicily and Italy. It doesn't answer the question what it is that K36 is interpreting as Iberian though. As far as I can tell when looking at the papers, there is no Iberia (Spanish/Portugese) in my family, but there's something about it, because in new MO I get 2% Iberia - non-European Iberian, what ever that means.
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Old 28th December 2017, 09:43 AM
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Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions
Kit Number: T216540

Armenian 5.29
Central_Euro 3.35
East_Central_Euro 4.86
East_Med 16.65
Eastern_Euro 5.81
Fennoscandian 0.34
French 3.51
Iberian 2.15
Italian 14.66
Near_Eastern 10.95
North_Atlantic 3.16
North_Caucasian 12.81
North_Sea 0.63
Siberian 0.88
South_Central_Asian 9.21
Volga-Ural 0.28
West_Caucasian 5.40

My father: 1/2 Iran 1/4 Central Italy 1/4 mixed French/Polish/German

The South Central Asian indicates the typical Mongolian invasions of The old Persian Empire (the area in which my father's father was born in 1925) which is really interesting to me.

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Old 28th December 2017, 09:51 AM
JamesBianco JamesBianco is offline
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Eurogenes K36 Admixture Proportions
Kit Number: M685902

Population
Arabian 2.28
Armenian 1.40
Basque 3.94
Central_Euro 3.56
East_Balkan 3.37
East_Central_Euro 1.24
East_Med 4.31
Fennoscandian 3.03
French 4.36
Iberian 15.71
Italian 17.65
Near_Eastern 7.34
North_African 3.48
North_Atlantic 6.79
North_Caucasian 3.65
North_Sea 9.74
Oceanian 0.16
West_Caucasian 1.12
West_Med 6.88

My mother: 1/2 Sicily 1/2 French Canada

Her ancestry on both sides is intermixed repeatedly (thanks to wonderful existing Catholic Church records with which to establish paper trails well into the 16th and 17th Centuries on all branches) Her mother's parents were first cousins and themselves descendants of dozens of intermarriages among 1st 2nd and 3rd cousins. One surname alone (Marciano) appears 16 times in her direct tree, all of which trace to one couple (Biagio Marciano & wife) who married in the early 1600s.

French Canada is similiar in terms of its intermixed families, although not to the degree I find in Sicily.

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