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Old 7th June 2015, 01:51 PM
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This is the recreation room.
Ah, I see. So science and logic have no place here. Is this why you prefer to post in this forum?
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Old 7th June 2015, 01:57 PM
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Ah, I see. So science and logic have no place here. Is this why you prefer to post in this forum?
I am all for science and logic and there is a lot of it missing from all the dna forums that I look at. Stuff like, one man rode into western Europe 4000 ybp on a white horse from the Steppe and replaced the whole male population.
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Old 7th June 2015, 02:36 PM
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Herding is considered the next stage beyond agriculture. Besides growing crops, herders/pastoralists realized that they could feed those crops to pigs, goats and cows and have a reliable source of meat.
I See, so farmers then. As I say, a fine distinction to make.

"Recreational activities are often done for enjoyment, amusement, or pleasure and are considered to be "fun"."
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Old 7th June 2015, 04:02 PM
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I See, so farmers then. As I say, a fine distinction to make.
Read up on the range wars between farmers and ranchers in the western U.S. in the late 19th century. They certainly made a fine distinction between the different lifestyles and the different interest of each group. The word "war" is literal - shooting and killing took place over who would control the land and for what type of economic activity.

This was probably something similar to what happened in Europe during the Bronze Age when herders came from the east and seemed to replace the farming population. At least that's what population geneticists are coming up with in recent studies.
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Old 7th June 2015, 05:15 PM
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Is there an admix group for distinguishing American farmers and American wranglers?

"replace the farming population"

Why do I have almost no herder in me but lots of farmer, if farmers were replaced by herders?
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Old 7th June 2015, 06:58 PM
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Is there an admix group for distinguishing American farmers and American wranglers?

"replace the farming population"

Why do I have almost no herder in me but lots of farmer, if farmers were replaced by herders?
Well, this is the Recreation Room, so if you want to take a light-hearted (some would say silly) look at the categories in the admixture calculator, this would be the place to do it. Just sayin'.

But the categories do make some sense based on ancient DNA results and what's known about whether the population in the categories were hunter-gatherers, farmers or herders/pastoralists at the time they lived. Based on archaeology and anthropology, we do know how humans in different societies in the past lived at various times. It's not just a guess. And population geneticists can tell us what their DNA profile was and match that with DNA found in modern humans.

"Replaced" doesn't mean totally replaced, just that the newcomers became the dominant part of the population. That's what happens when people migrate. Think of Europeans "replacing" the Native American population of the Americas after 1492. It doesn't mean that there aren't any people in the Americas left with Native American ancestry, just that it's no longer the dominant ancestry of people who live there. Similarly, what the admixture calculator being discussed in this thread is telling us is that northern Europeans still harbor a good amount of DNA from ancient European hunter-gatherers, much more so than southern Europeans, but also that all Europeans have a large amount of DNA that is similar to ancient DNA found among Mediterranean farmers.

These are not unproven scientific concepts. Studies over the last few years comparing ancient DNA to modern humans are telling us this. But then that's science and this is the Recreation Room, where I guess scientific concepts don't count for much - to some.
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Old 7th June 2015, 09:34 PM
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Here are mine
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Population
Anatolian Farmer 4.81%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 54.60%
Middle Eastern Herder 2.16%
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer 1.28%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.70%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.14%
Mediterranean Farmer 35.26%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer 0.06%
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169693 SNPs used in this evaluation
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Image of break-down per Chromosome attached.
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Old 8th June 2015, 02:07 AM
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Baltic Hunter Gatherer 57.82%
Mediterranean Farmer 31.57%
Anatolian Farmer 7.55%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.31%
South American Hunter Gatherer 1.07%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.44%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.24%
You must be Irish.

Here are the results for the 2000 ybp Hinxton Celt F999925
Population
Anatolian Farmer 10.10%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 54.00%
Middle Eastern Herder -
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer -
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 3.13%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 32.39%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer 0.36%

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Old 8th June 2015, 03:47 AM
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"Well, this is the Recreation Room, so if you want to take a light-hearted (some would say silly) look at the categories in the admixture calculator, this would be the place to do it. Just sayin'."


That is what I'm doing

just sayin
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Old 8th June 2015, 06:25 AM
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Unetice
Population * *
Anatolian Farmer 13.11%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 61.55%
Middle Eastern Herder - * *
East Asian Farmer - * *
South American Hunter Gatherer - * *
South Asian Hunter Gatherer - * *
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
East African Pastoralist - * *
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer - * *
Mediterranean Farmer 25.34%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
Bantu Farmer - * *

CWC M622615
Population *
Anatolian Farmer 24.32%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 67.63%
Middle Eastern Herder - * *
East Asian Farmer - * *
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.50%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.83%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
East African Pastoralist - * *
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer - * *
Mediterranean Farmer 5.72%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
Bantu Farmer - * *

CWC M966366
Population
Anatolian Farmer 20.31%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 65.35%
Middle Eastern Herder - * *
East Asian Farmer - * *
South American Hunter Gatherer 2.53%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 2.20%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
East African Pastoralist - * *
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer - * *
Mediterranean Farmer 9.61%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
Bantu Farmer - * *

Yamnaya M951285
population
Anatolian Farmer 23.10%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 64.23%
Middle Eastern Herder - * *
East Asian Farmer - * *
South American Hunter Gatherer 4.37%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 8.30%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
East African Pastoralist - * *
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer - * *
Mediterranean Farmer - * *
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
Bantu Farmer - * *

Yamnaya M020637
Population * *
Anatolian Farmer 25.81%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 63.62%
Middle Eastern Herder - * *
East Asian Farmer - * *
South American Hunter Gatherer 3.72%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 6.84%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer - * *
East African Pastoralist - * *
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer - * *
Mediterranean Farmer - * *
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer - * *
Bantu Farmer - * *
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