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Old 24th May 2018, 12:07 PM
Dawn Ellis Dawn Ellis is offline
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I know this is related to the new regulations, but, I don't see how "Group Project Access Only" gives me any access to look at matches. If I can't look at the results, how can I manage the project?

I can't see where a person would go to change the access either.

What's the deal?
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Old 24th May 2018, 01:08 PM
dtvmcdonald dtvmcdonald is offline
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You can see some of their data, including STR values and SNP test results, but not some others, like BigY, by downloading the data tables themselves. That's how my project operates ... we download 6 tables (!) and a computer program arranges the data into a single file that gets uploaded to our external web site. It was miraculously designed long ago so
that the whole thing was and is compliant with their new policies. To see where they are on the Haplotree I have to
log in to my own web page and search the tree for the haplogroup, but this is really no more trouble than before.

But then if they get a BigY or Family Finder I can't help
at all unless they change settings or send me the raw data.

The big hassle is explaining how to do all the changes and downloads!
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Old 24th May 2018, 01:37 PM
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You can see some of their data, including STR values and SNP test results, but not some others, like BigY, by downloading the data tables themselves. That's how my project operates ... we download 6 tables (!) and a computer program arranges the data into a single file that gets uploaded to our external web site. It was miraculously designed long ago so
that the whole thing was and is compliant with their new policies. To see where they are on the Haplotree I have to
log in to my own web page and search the tree for the haplogroup, but this is really no more trouble than before.

But then if they get a BigY or Family Finder I can't help
at all unless they change settings or send me the raw data.

The big hassle is explaining how to do all the changes and downloads!
So I assume your project is private and requires a log-in? Otherwise I don't see how anyone could have their own external website anymore. How are you going to continuously monitor the privacy settings of your members? That is a big reason the projects hosted by WorldFamilies is shutting down.
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Old 24th May 2018, 01:40 PM
Dawn Ellis Dawn Ellis is offline
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You can see some of their data, including STR values and SNP test results, but not some others, like BigY, by downloading the data tables themselves. That's how my project operates ... we download 6 tables (!) and a computer program arranges the data into a single file that gets uploaded to our external web site. It was miraculously designed long ago so
that the whole thing was and is compliant with their new policies. To see where they are on the Haplotree I have to
log in to my own web page and search the tree for the haplogroup, but this is really no more trouble than before.
You cannot see their matches? Where do you download data tables if you cannot access their profile?
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Old 24th May 2018, 01:42 PM
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I know this is related to the new regulations, but, I don't see how "Group Project Access Only" gives me any access to look at matches. If I can't look at the results, how can I manage the project?

I can't see where a person would go to change the access either.

What's the deal?
If you are talking about Y-DNA you're supposed to use the Y-DNA Genetic Distance Tool. I've never used it and I guess it's not working anyways. But it looks like that will be the only way in GAP that I can see to compare members that are "Group Project Access Only" to other members. With the recent changes I don't see the point of project administrators or projects themselves anymore unless it is a private Family Finder project. I can see why a Y-DNA administrator doesn't really need to see mtDNA or Family Finder matches but a Y-DNA administrator not being able to see Y-DNA matches is silly.

As far as changing access. New project members are automatically opted in now to "Group Project Access Only". The way to change that is they would have to go to the "Project Preferences" tab next to the "Privacy & Sharing" tab in account settings and click the "Edit" button next to each project they wish to change settings.
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Old 24th May 2018, 02:48 PM
Dawn Ellis Dawn Ellis is offline
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... Y-DNA administrator not being able to see Y-DNA matches is silly.
Agreed

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As far as changing access. New project members are automatically opted in now to "Group Project Access Only". The way to change that is they would have to go to the "Project Preferences" tab next to the "Privacy & Sharing" tab in account settings and click the "Edit" button next to each project they wish to change settings.
Thank you, that's what I wanted to know.
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Old 25th May 2018, 10:18 AM
dtvmcdonald dtvmcdonald is offline
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So I assume your project is private and requires a log-in? Otherwise I don't see how anyone could have their own external website anymore. How are you going to continuously monitor the privacy settings of your members? That is a big reason the projects hosted by WorldFamilies is shutting down.
Our project is public. Our project is so big that I update
it at least every week, usually every day or two. The monitoring of privacy settings is automatic. I download the 6 files, and the settings are in two files. The Y-data, which is all we show, is in one file. If somebody turns off permission or leaves the project, that data disappears from that file. The computer automatically removes it from the data file used online. That file has no data at all that is not actually on the public web site. Its on a very high security web server (which I do not run, its run by a specialist in that sort of stuff.) We identify people by a unique code we provide, that I have to email
to the participant upon request. We don't list full names or ancestors.

Do note that my project was started by a high-end lawyer long before FTDNA existed, when DNA testing we very new ... and we have several titled British people in it. Originally it was private, and when it went public the lawyer and I spent time designing privacy. Then all the titled folks agreed to let us post every piece of DNA, with names. (As it proves conclusively their rights to the titles!)

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Old 25th May 2018, 10:28 AM
dtvmcdonald dtvmcdonald is offline
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You cannot see their matches? Where do you download data tables if you cannot access their profile?
The downloads are on the GAP page. You can do matching from the downloads ... for Y chromosome at least. You can't do
it for Family Finder. I don't know for mtDNA. We do matching
from the downloads. But remember ... its only matching inside our project. And not only that, only for project members who accept the same facility using FTDNA-supported project matching. They thought this out well.
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Old 25th May 2018, 11:40 AM
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Our project is public. Our project is so big that I update
it at least every week, usually every day or two. The monitoring of privacy settings is automatic. I download the 6 files, and the settings are in two files. The Y-data, which is all we show, is in one file. If somebody turns off permission or leaves the project, that data disappears from that file. The computer automatically removes it from the data file used online. That file has no data at all that is not actually on the public web site. Its on a very high security web server (which I do not run, its run by a specialist in that sort of stuff.) We identify people by a unique code we provide, that I have to email
to the participant upon request. We don't list full names or ancestors.

Do note that my project was started by a high-end lawyer long before FTDNA existed, when DNA testing we very new ... and we have several titled British people in it. Originally it was private, and when it went public the lawyer and I spent time designing privacy. Then all the titled folks agreed to let us post every piece of DNA, with names. (As it proves conclusively their rights to the titles!)
Wow that's impressive. A lot of work up front but sounds like you have a very good system in place.
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Old 2nd June 2018, 12:21 AM
LHolt-Galvin LHolt-Galvin is offline
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I know this is related to the new regulations, but, I don't see how "Group Project Access Only" gives me any access to look at matches. If I can't look at the results, how can I manage the project?

I can't see where a person would go to change the access either.

What's the deal?
I manage 5 groups that Terry Barton used to be admin for and I am finding that the inability to access members profile pages is a great hindrance to my ability to sort into groups. I used to be able to log in to their profile and select yDNA matches in the "surname" group to see who they matched in the project. That no longer works. The tools in GAP are hard to use. Of the 225 members of my own surname group, only 15 have changed their privacy settings to allow me access to their profile. Many of the kit owners are deceased or very elderly and are unable to figure out how to change the settings. FTDNA does not seem to want to help the Admins out at all.
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