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Old 8th February 2010, 05:46 PM
derinos derinos is offline
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DNA /genealogy in "inspired " documents.

1. Pedigrees are nice, but not scientific evidence; they are only "history", under the usual Henry Ford caveat.

2.A recent poster (J) conflated genealogy claims in 3 "Bibles"; the Hebrew Bible, The Christian Gospel, and the Book of Mormon. It is only the Book of Mormon that represents that the American Indians originated, quite recently, in the Middle East. The Middle eastern Haplogroups are quite clear, and differ strongly from those of the American Indians. But there are tribes in the world whose Ydna and MtDNA modes do closely resemble the majority of American Indian samples. Those tribes are presently found in southern Siberia, the most notable being the Khakans.

3.The pedigrees in the Hebrew Bible make no claims about the American Indians. They do narrowly report old Middle East traditions for about the 8,000 years or so BC, recently placed in oral record about 1400 BC, by the Mosaic tribes. They refer to known personal names from numbers of pre-Jewish tribes, and some later claims of continuity to Abraham, Moses, David and Solomon.

4.The Cohanim caste identifies itself by its Jewish name, and the profession of teaching. This is circumstantially acceptable as a loose "pedigree". The argued CMH is a greater-than-chance finding in people with family claims to that Cohan pedigree.

5.Technologically, the Hebrew Bible and the Iliad were committed to writing by Lebanese scribal workshops about the same time, around 800 BC. The Iliad was finally accepted as a useful clue box for archaeologists. Has anyone detected clues to Greek pedigrees in that document?
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Old 8th February 2010, 07:00 PM
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jhaber is going to close this thread because "this is not the place to discuss religion."

When in reality Haplogroups, A through R, is nothing more than a religion, which has no basis in reality.

If the Y-DNA/mtDNA marker is objectively establish, meaning uniquely established for each individual to determine parentage, then there are as many Haplogroups as there were Y-DNA/mtDNA markers that ever existed.
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