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Old 5th October 2007, 11:06 PM
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H Subclades? Help!

What might one learn, if one is H, by opting for the H subclade test?
How many H subclades are defined by the test?
How well defined are the geographic origins of the subclades revealed?

I ain't H, but I am trying to sell an H on the test.
The prospective H is 16519C, 152C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, Irish and would prefer to be something else.
Is there any hope?
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Old 5th October 2007, 11:21 PM
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Help on H

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1182122
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Old 6th October 2007, 01:59 AM
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Figure 3 is interesting to me because I now know I'm H1. The two strongest areas of H1 has a bullseye at Gibraltar and a smaller one in the Basque area. Southwestern England & Ireland have a dark pink area. I have believed for some time that my direct female line, great-great-great-great grandmother from Viriginia, was of Cornish/English descent because her father had a Cornish surname, so her mom could have been from the same area. H1 is pretty strong in Cornwall. Seeing the huge H1 bullseye at Gibraltar made me, for a moment, think of the legend of Atlantis.
It looks to me like the Basque bullseye could be a large settlement of refugees from the Gibraltar area.

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Old 6th October 2007, 05:07 AM
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Do you know of anything similar on H7?

Vinnie
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Old 6th October 2007, 07:54 AM
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More H

http://www.genome.org/cgi/content/full/15/1/19

Above seems to be a differnt paper than the one I posted. They are all starting to look alike. LOL!!!!!
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Old 6th October 2007, 12:31 PM
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What might one learn, if one is H, by opting for the H subclade test?
How many H subclades are defined by the test?
How well defined are the geographic origins of the subclades revealed?

I ain't H, but I am trying to sell an H on the test.
The prospective H is 16519C, 152C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C, Irish and would prefer to be something else.
Is there any hope?
That looks like H7.
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Old 6th October 2007, 02:06 PM
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FTDNA's H deep clade tests are listed here http://www.familytreedna.com/hclade.html

FTDNA doesn't test all of the known subclades of H. It is better to get the FGS if you can afford it. The H tree changes as new discoveries are made, and the tree on the FTDNA page is already obsolete. If you get the FGS, you will never need any additional tests to clarify your position in the H tree.

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Old 6th October 2007, 06:08 PM
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Can I assume that my high-resolution matches (matching both HVR1 & HVR2) are also H7, even though they are listed as H? Does this mean that they just haven't done the deep subclade test yet?
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Old 6th October 2007, 07:40 PM
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vinnie:

no, they can, and most likely do, belong to other subclades as well. You don't seem to have any peculiar mutation on HVR1+2 (263 and 302 are almost universal, and 16519 is very common). I quickly checked on ian logan's page and 152 is present in other subhaplogroups
http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/mtDNA.htm
(I checked under H1 only, and there are a few).

Your matches have not done the subhaplogroup test, but, as said, there is no particular expectation that they are H7. In fact, of hte few fully sequenced H7 on ian logan's page, none has 152.

cacio
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Old 6th October 2007, 07:49 PM
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Thank you, Cacio. Well, that's interesting because my confirmed H7 result is from FTDNA's subclade test. Is there any reason to doubt it?
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