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Old 17th March 2013, 08:28 AM
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R-L664

I've been waiting for an L664 thread to be launched. So I'm finally launching it myself. But I am no expert. I just belong to this clade myself.

I obviously made a typo in the title of this thread. How do I correct it?

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Old 17th March 2013, 01:12 PM
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Does anyone know the Y-DNA haplogroup of Rollo, First Duke of Normandy? He came from Norway in the general area of where L664 is found. And there are a few of this haplogroup in SE England, presumably from Norman origins.
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Old 18th March 2013, 06:32 AM
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I thought that the TMRCA of L664 is 5000 ybp.Why do you think that it belongs to the Normans?
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Old 18th March 2013, 12:50 PM
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I thought that the TMRCA of L664 is 5000 ybp.Why do you think that it belongs to the Normans?
I wasn't being scientific. I just wanted to get a conversation going about L664. L664 is now broken down into 4 groups. The Rollo/Norwegian component of the Viking invasion of the Normandy coast has my group (NW cluster 2). It is rather out of place in that neck of the woods, compared to the other groups. Rollo himself may not have had L664 (cluster2). But one or more of his men sure did. Actually, as far as I know, there are no samples of that L664 (cluster 2) from France. But 3 or 4 people in SE England (according to an online map I saw) have it.

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Old 20th March 2013, 03:40 PM
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Here is an interesting map I stole from Google:

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=e...2&source=embed

Let's see if it shows up OK.
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Old 24th March 2013, 12:27 AM
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The above Google map shows a different classification scheme from that of Lupinski in the R1a Project. I prefer the R1a Project version, with L664 divided into 4 clusters, since he/they are continuously on top of it.

King Clovis of the 400s AD, who started the Merovingian dynasty is listed in NW cluster III, sub-cluster c1, in the R1a Project. Although shown as a Ripuarian Frank, he was actually a Salian Frank. But nevermind the difference. The point is, he was a core Frank. One source I bumped into said there is an oral tradition of the core Franks coming from Scandinavia originally. That they were pirates, allied with the Friesians is an apparent historical fact. After they were forced to move south into Roman territory by the Saxons, they gave up their seafaring ways. Cluster III looks to be closely related to cluster II, which makes sense. Maybe they'll eventually be merged. But I haven't looked at the specific mutations. I'll leave that to the experts.

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Old 24th April 2013, 11:28 PM
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I just ordered a SNP test for CTS4385. I received another email wanting me to test for it. It is just a synonym for L664, according to the ISOGG chart. But it will reaffirm my L664 if positive, I suppose.
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Old 25th April 2013, 01:45 AM
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I just ordered a SNP test for CTS4385. I received another email wanting me to test for it. It is just a synonym for L664, according to the ISOGG chart. But it will reaffirm my L664 if positive, I suppose.
Hmm... I see that it is another SNP on ISOGG that is a synonym: CTS7083. I don't know where they dug up CTS4385 from. But I see several others with L664+ have already been tested for CTS4385. So far they have all come out positive, with a few others waiting for their results. I also notice that the price for SNP tests has gone up from $29 to $39 for each SNP.
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Old 25th April 2013, 04:08 AM
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I've been waiting for an L664 thread to be launched. So I'm finally launching it myself. But I am no expert. I just belong to this clade myself.

I obviously made a typo in the title of this thread. How do I correct it?
Is there a modal haplotype for L664? The modal and SNP are linked so you can look at the origin place of the majority of those who have the SNP.
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Old 25th April 2013, 04:47 AM
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Is there a modal haplotype for L664? The modal and SNP are linked so you can look at the origin place of the majority of those who have the SNP.
I am clueless as to whether or not there is a modal. I get my information from the R1a Project (Lapinski, et al.). The reason, it looks like, that I was sent emails to have the CTS4385 SNP test done is that no one with L664+ roots in the Scandinavian peninsula has had it done yet. So I am filling in a gap.
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