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Old 19th May 2011, 04:44 AM
Taz85 Taz85 is offline
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Jewish PF Results.

I dunno if a thread like this has been started yet or not. I thought it would be cool for everyone who has Jewish PF results, to post them all in one thread. My Results are in my Sig, but I also attached the PF Map.

West European: French, Orcadian: 83.35% +/- 7.36
Middle Eastern: Jewish, Iranian, Adygei, Bedouin South, Druze: 16.65% +/- 7.36
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Old 19th May 2011, 01:10 PM
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Mine is similar except Jewish was placed last:

Europe (Western European) Orcadian 80.42% -4.48%
Middle East Palestinian, Bedouin, Druze, Jewish 19.58% -4.48%


I asked Dr. McDonald to take a look and this is what he got:

85.3% ( -3.0%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 14.7% ( 3.0%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
English= 0.864 Palestin= 0.136
English= 0.876 Bedouin= 0.124
English= 0.885 Egyptian= 0.115
English= 0.857 Druze= 0.143
English= 0.794 Jewish= 0.206
English= 0.841 Armenian= 0.159

These together look like Dutch or German, if it is a single
population.

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Old 19th May 2011, 01:27 PM
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And here is my PF map
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Old 19th May 2011, 01:41 PM
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Europe Basque, Finnish, French, Orcadian, Romanian, Sardinian, Spanish, Tuscan 20.13% +/- 19.93%
Middle East (Jewish) Jewish 79.87% +/- 19.93%

With those kinds of uncertainty, not terribly helpful
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Old 29th May 2011, 04:49 PM
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Middle Eastern background

I thought I would jump in with my results. I am

91.69% Orcadian ( margin of error 2.71)
8.31 % Middle Easter (margin of error 2.71)

How important are the Ancestral Origins pages? On my mtDNA Ancestral origins page I have a match in Ukrainia. I still can not explain my Middle Eastern percentage. My family has lived in the American South (Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, the Carolinas) since the 1700s and some of the 1600s. Has anyone been able to trace their Middle Eastern heritage?

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Old 29th May 2011, 09:12 PM
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How important are the Ancestral Origins pages? On my mtDNA Ancestral origins page I have a match in Ukrainia. I still can not explain my Middle Eastern percentage. My family has lived in the American South (Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky, the Carolinas) since the 1700s and some of the 1600s. Has anyone been able to trace their Middle Eastern heritage?
What level of mtDNA match was it? If it's HVR1 and HVR2 only, that could mean a common ancestor hundreds, or even thousands of years back. If it's an FGS match, that would probably be more recent.

What is your ancestry? Southern Europeans often have substantial Middle Eastern admixture, or like the purpose of this thread, you may have a Jewish ancestor.
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Old 30th May 2011, 11:14 AM
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Jewish PF results

My ancestry is British with German and some French and Dutch ancestry. My mitDNA halogroup is T2b. My dad's yDNA test predicted a halogroup of R1b1b2. Everything indicates a western European heritage except my 8. Middle Eastern link. I had no Full Scale matches on my mtDNA and the Ukrainian match show up in HR2.
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Old 31st May 2011, 01:05 PM
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My brother-in-law has 3 out of 4 grandparents of known Jewish ancestry, and the other is of mixed English-Belgian descent. His PF results are as follows:

Middle East (Jewish) Jewish 64.83%
Europe Basque, Finnish, French, Orcadian, Romanian, Russian, Spanish, Tuscan 35.17%

The margin of error is +-16.02%.

Dr. McDonald concurs with this analysis, saying:

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Most likely fit is 31.3% (+- 15.3%) Europe (various subcontinents) and 68.7% (+- 15.3%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
English= 0.251 Jewish= 0.749
French= 0.306 Jewish= 0.694
Irish= 0.220 Jewish= 0.780
Hungary= 0.272 Jewish= 0.728
French= 0.606 Palestin= 0.394
Romania= 0.398 Jewish= 0.602
French= 0.568 Druze= 0.432
Lithuani= 0.162 Jewish= 0.838
Finland= 0.162 Jewish= 0.838
Belorus= 0.188 Jewish= 0.812

And the chromosome plot and spot on the map agree. There are small non-Euro/Jewish spots on the chromosomes of which only the E. Asia ones are likely real.
I find it interesting that Belorus is considered non-Jewish in this analysis. Some of his Jewish ancestors came from Brest, Belorus, but none of his non-Jewish ancestors are from there.

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Old 31st May 2011, 01:41 PM
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Half of my known ancestry is definitely Jewish AND from Belarus but PF and Dr. McDonald show me as about 30-35% Middle Eastern and the rest Europe. I don't think there's a way to sort out the "Jewish genes" from the "non-Jewish genes" when you're talking about strict European ancestry. It's only when some of your Jewish ancestry had roots in the Middle East that you can see a difference between someone with Ashkenazi roots and someone with solely European non-Ashkenazi roots.

It's all a matter of what it looks like compared to others with known ancestry of the same type. When a group stays in a particular place for a long time, there is bound to be some mixing - both ways: from the host population into the group's population and the other way around.
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Old 31st May 2011, 04:46 PM
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Half of my known ancestry is definitely Jewish AND from Belarus but PF and Dr. McDonald show me as about 30-35% Middle Eastern and the rest Europe. I don't think there's a way to sort out the "Jewish genes" from the "non-Jewish genes" when you're talking about strict European ancestry. It's only when some of your Jewish ancestry had roots in the Middle East that you can see a difference between someone with Ashkenazi roots and someone with solely European non-Ashkenazi roots.

It's all a matter of what it looks like compared to others with known ancestry of the same type. When a group stays in a particular place for a long time, there is bound to be some mixing - both ways: from the host population into the group's population and the other way around.
Right Gaye, someone who has european results could also have Jewish ancestry. Just because someone doesnt have mideast results doesnt mean their not Jewish.
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