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Old 26th January 2010, 05:25 PM
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Age of the Subclades?

Hello!

Are there any new informations about the age of the subclades?

How old is K1, K1a, K1a4 and K1a4a1 for example?
I cannot find any information about that in the whole net, it seems.
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Old 26th January 2010, 08:14 PM
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I am not familiar with K, but there are lots of links here:

http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpK.html

You could contact the K haplogroup contact person linked there, too.
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Old 26th January 2010, 08:19 PM
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I am not familiar with K, but there are lots of links here:

http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpK.html

You could contact the K haplogroup contact person linked there, too.
Hi gtc,

That's Y-DNA haplogroup K; the question is about mtDNA haplogroup K. I'm the ISOGG contact person for that.

Bill Hurst
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Old 26th January 2010, 08:37 PM
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Hello!

Are there any new informations about the age of the subclades?

How old is K1, K1a, K1a4 and K1a4a1 for example?
I cannot find any information about that in the whole net, it seems.
Hi Daniel,

There is a recent paper by Loogvali, et al, at http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0008260 Table S1 has estimated dates for some subclades. It has K1 at 23,200 years old and K1a4 at 20,800. Since it has K itself at 23,500, that only gives 300 years for K1's two coding-region mutations. Other subclades seem further off. They calculate 7,990 years for each synonymous coding-region mutation. I need to study this further.

Bill Hurst
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Old 26th January 2010, 09:01 PM
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Hi gtc,

That's Y-DNA haplogroup K; the question is about mtDNA haplogroup K. I'm the ISOGG contact person for that.

Bill Hurst
Do'h.

Poster didn't specify and as it's a male name I guessed Y.

Stupid confusing ambiguous naming convention! (I've been wanting to say that for some time)
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Old 26th January 2010, 09:25 PM
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Do'h.

Poster didn't specify and as it's a male name I guessed Y.

Stupid confusing ambiguous naming convention! (I've been wanting to say that for some time)
Hehe.

I thought, since this subforum is named "mtDNA Haplogroup K Project Forum" its not important to say that I mean the mtDNA K.
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Old 26th January 2010, 09:27 PM
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Hi Daniel,

There is a recent paper by Loogvali, et al, at http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0008260 Table S1 has estimated dates for some subclades. It has K1 at 23,200 years old and K1a4 at 20,800. Since it has K itself at 23,500, that only gives 300 years for K1's two coding-region mutations. Other subclades seem further off. They calculate 7,990 years for each synonymous coding-region mutation. I need to study this further.

Bill Hurst
I will check this out later. Thank you.

Edit: Uh, quiet complicated stuff to read in a non-native tounge.

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Old 27th January 2010, 01:22 AM
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I thought, since this subforum is named "mtDNA Haplogroup K Project Forum" its not important to say that I mean the mtDNA K.
Yep. Missed that.
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