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Old 14th December 2014, 11:08 AM
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This is what I don't understand. These CE farmers are descended from hunter-gatherers also. It is not as if they came from Mars. We are all descended from hunter-gatherers.
Do you have access to the article? Previous studies have shown that CE farmers are primarily descended from Middle Eastern farmers, not hunter-gatherers. While most Europeans have a small amount of hunter-gatherer ancestry, they mostly descend from Neolithic and post-Neolithic immigrants.
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Old 14th December 2014, 11:58 AM
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Do you have access to the article? Previous studies have shown that CE farmers are primarily descended from Middle Eastern farmers, not hunter-gatherers. While most Europeans have a small amount of hunter-gatherer ancestry, they mostly descend from Neolithic and post-Neolithic immigrants.
Everyone in the world is descended from hunter-gatherers.
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Old 14th December 2014, 04:36 PM
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Everyone in the world is descended from hunter-gatherers.
Of course, everyone was a hunter-gatherer before the invention of farming. But this paper is talking specifically about the European Neolithization process and whether modern Europeans descend from Mesolithic European hunter-gatherers or Neolithic farmers. This is a topic that has been extensively debated for decades, and until recently the dominant theory was that Neolithic technologies arrived in Europe by cultural diffusion. DNA testing has overturned that theory and we now know that farming arrived in Europe by migration of people from the Middle East.
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Do you have access to the article? Previous studies have shown that CE farmers are primarily descended from Middle Eastern farmers, not hunter-gatherers. While most Europeans have a small amount of hunter-gatherer ancestry, they mostly descend from Neolithic and post-Neolithic immigrants.
How did they determine that?
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Old 15th December 2014, 12:59 PM
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How did they determine that?
They analyzed the DNA of ancient human remains.
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They analyzed the DNA of ancient human remains.
Is 46% considered a small amount of HG dna?
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Old 15th December 2014, 03:37 PM
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They analyzed the DNA of ancient human remains.
Where did the Bulgarian population get the 31% NE dna from? Was that a back migration from north western Europe? Bulgaria has the highest variance of R1b-L23.
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Bulgaria sits in an interesting place in Europe; namely to the NW of the Bosporus. When Neolithic farmers crossed from Anatolia to the Balkans prior to 6000 BC, Bulgaria was received many early settlements. When Ancient North Eurasians invaded Old Europe on horseback (ca 3900 BC), coming from the Ukraine, many of them were likely M269+. If L23 wasn't born in Bulgaria, it likely spent its childhood there.

As you, I have great interest in L23, because that is the MRCA for my maternal uncle (who is CTS7822*) and most of the European R1b family (L51+).

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