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Old 26th November 2014, 01:49 AM
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This has been discussed many times. I have no problems with theories if they are backed up with credible evidence.

SNP counting is not credible evidence.

You want R1b to be in Europe from 10,000 years ago so you are trying to concoct methods to support your beliefs. This is called a confirmation bias.



If new information was to come to light that supports R1b being present in Europe earlier than previously thought I am willing to change my position.

While we are still investigating Ancient DNA, there is currently no evidence for R1b being present in Europe 10,000 years ago.
You are so wrong. It is not about my beliefs nor yours.
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Old 26th November 2014, 05:52 AM
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...undary.svg.png

Here are the SNPs that are one the one level at M269 in the R Y-Tree. I would put my house on these SNPs originating in Europe.


L483L407L500L478L773L482L265M269CTS12478PF6507PF65 09CTS11468PF6500PF6494PF6495CTS7400CTS7659CTS8591C TS8665PF6265PF6404PF6409PF6411CTS623PF6425PF6430PF 6432PF6434PF6438PF6443CTS2664CTS3575CTS10834s10s3Y SC0000203YSC0000213YSC0000219YSC0000225F1794CTS872 8YSC0000194YSC0000294.
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Old 26th November 2014, 02:47 PM
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You are so wrong. It is not about my beliefs nor yours.
No you cherry-picked and misinterpreted my statement, missing the point of my post.

The point is SNP counting is not credible evidence.
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Old 26th November 2014, 05:03 PM
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No you cherry-picked and misinterpreted my statement, missing the point of my post.

The point is SNP counting is not credible evidence.
I don't think that I am right, I know it.You underestimate me.
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Old 27th November 2014, 07:11 AM
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No you cherry-picked and misinterpreted my statement, missing the point of my post.

The point is SNP counting is not credible evidence.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...undary.svg.png
Why do you think that M269 did not originate in this region?
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Old 27th November 2014, 11:04 AM
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Why do you think that M269 did not originate in this region?
The way you had copied the link, it is incomplete...

W.
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Old 27th November 2014, 11:35 AM
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The way you had copied the link, it is incomplete...

W.
The same link is in post 32.
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Old 27th November 2014, 02:29 PM
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Why do you think that M269 did not originate in this region?
I don't recall stating anything about the origins of M269 in our recent post exchange.

Please identify where I did and I will address your leading question.
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Old 27th November 2014, 03:16 PM
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I don't recall stating anything about the origins of M269 in our recent post exchange.

Please identify where I did and I will address your leading question.
Which R1b group are you referring to then?
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Old 27th November 2014, 03:55 PM
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Which R1b group are you referring to then?
I don't recall stating anything about ANY specific R1b group in our recent post exchange.

Please identify where I did make such a statement and I will address the leading question you posted in post 35.

If you attempting to infer that I believe M269 did not originate in the region you specified you are mistaken.

If you read through post 28 and 30 on this forum, I stated that SNP counting (and your designated average SNP mutation rate) is not credible evidence for R1b being present in Europe 10,000 years ago.

Post 28: http://forums.familytreedna.com/show...9&postcount=28
Post 30: http://forums.familytreedna.com/show...5&postcount=30

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