Important Update For My Haplogroup

[davy57]

Hello

My apologies if I am asking this question in the wrong thread.

I have just received an email inviting myself to undertake further Haplogroup tests for my I2-M284 Haplogroup for the "special" price of $99.00.

I undertook additional tests a while ago and the result was my Y-DNA Haplogroup was tested positive for I-Y4751.

Would I be wasting my time undertaking additional tests to determine any additional matching SNP's?

My kit number is 299915.

Many thanks.

David

[Jim Barrett]

$99 appears to be the normal price unless this is an introductory price. The I2 - M284xL126 SNP Pack includes:
Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
M284, L1195, L1193, Y3713, L1194, Y10626, Y5996, Y3684, Y3709, Y3710, CTS4544, Y5999, Y3712, Y3719, Y23654, Y23610, Y20863, Y22546, Y22549, FGC24716, Y20864, Y20865, Y22017, Y22539, Y22540, Y22541, Y22542, Y22543, Y22544, Y22545, Y22547, Y22548, Y22550, Y22551, Y22552, Y6022, FGC20053, FGC20041, Y3702, FGC14214, FGC14212, FGC14222, FGC14220, FGC21569, Y3688, Y3700, FGC14223, Y3718, FGC14213, FGC14218, Y4146, FGC20040, Y4160, Y3705, Y27468, Z26366, Y27469, Y27467, Y4163, CTS10088, Y27470, FGC14228, Y4167, FGC14221, FGC14210, Y3720, FGC14229, Y3694, FGC14215, FGC14224, FGC14226, FGC14231, FGC20061, Y27464, Y4162, Y4138, Y3715, Y10629, Y10627, Y10630, Y10628, Y10631, Y6020, FGC14269, FGC14244, FGC14264, FGC14243, FGC14239, FGC14240, Y23433, FGC14267, FGC35437, FGC14254, Y6028, Y6029, FGC14242, FGC14255, FGC14260, FGC14246, FGC14234, Y6019, FGC14268, FGC14251, Y6006, FGC14235, FGC14247, FGC14265, Y6005, FGC14272, FGC14273, FGC14262, FGC14258, FGC14266, Y6010, FGC14275, Y4165, BY1798, FGC14249, BY13862, BY13863, FGC35450, BY13865, BY13867, FGC35457, Y3701

Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
Y27463, Y3717

[georgian1950]

Yesterday I received a similar message for a I1-DF29 SNP Pack. I am way past there already, having been tested by FTDNA at Z382,

BUYER beware! FTDNA is engaging in some questionable practices in pushing the SNP Packs.

Jack Wyatt

[Armando]

Yesterday I received a similar message for a I1-DF29 SNP Pack. I am way past there already, having been tested by FTDNA at Z382,

BUYER beware! FTDNA is engaging in some questionable practices in pushing the SNP Packs.

Jack Wyatt

It's not due to questionable practices. FTDNA just has bad programmers that aren't able to add rules to the code that removes people that don't need the specific SNP packs. This problem has been around for a long time. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by...."

[georgian1950]

It's not due to questionable practices. FTDNA just has bad programmers that aren't able to add rules to the code that removes people that don't need the specific SNP packs. This problem has been around for a long time. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by...."

Thanks, I am basically a fan of FTDNA in spite of everything that goes wrong.

However, the company needs to solve that problem. It has the potential of coming back and biting them in a big way:

lawyer + unneeded DNA tests = class action lawsuit (and bad pubicity)

Jack

[davy57]

Thanks all

So, the general concensus would appear to be that I would be wasting my time and money?

Regards
davy57

[Jim Barrett]

Look at the SNPs included in the SNP Pack and compare that to the SNPs that are down stream form your current location. It is a choice for you to make.

It has nothing to do with poor programming nor poor business practices.

[Armando]

Look at the SNPs included in the SNP Pack and compare that to the SNPs that are down stream form your current location. It is a choice for you to make.

It has nothing to do with poor programming nor poor business practices.

There is no question that some people get an ad or email for an SNP pack that is definitely not needed. I have several relatives that have had the ads for SNP packs although they had already tested positive for SNPs downstream from the SNPs included in the SNP pack. It happened to me too and it would annoy me so much that I turned in a ticket to get the ad removed for my own page. FTDNA does not program their code to not include those of us that have had sufficient SNP testing to prove we are either positive or negative for the SNPs included in the SNP packs advertised.

If you look at the FTDNA I haplogroup page you will see the I-Y4751 is downstream from L126. Therefore, he does not have any reason whatsoever to be tested by the I2 - M284xL126 SNP Pack because the name of the pack states that L126 SNPs aren't tested. That is what the x before L126 means.

FTDNA does not have an SNP pack at https://www.familytreedna.com/upgrades.aspx?ot=ADV that includes the SNPs that are downstream from I-Y4751

[Armando]

Thanks all

So, the general concensus would appear to be that I would be wasting my time and money?

Regards
davy57

Yes, as long as the SNP pack that you received an email for is called I2 - M284xL126 SNP Pack then it would be a complete waste of time and money. Is it called I2 - M284xL126?

The SNPs downstream from your "terminal" SNP of Y4751 include the following:

A11471
A11612
A11613
A2239
A5860
A6696
A7389
A7391
A7395
A7396
A7403
A9405
BY19877
BY19891
BY19892
BY19893
BY19894
BY19895
BY19896
BY19897
BY19907
BY19908
BY19909
BY19910
BY19911
BY3813
BY3814
BY3815
BY3816
BY3817
BY3818
BY3819
BY3820
BY3821
BY3822
FGC20067
FGC20070
FGC21574
FGC21575
S15280
V1840
Y10704
Y11197
Y11246
Y11247
Y11668
Y11857
Y11858
Y15017
Y17214
Y17398
Y17399
Y17400
Y19693
Y22518
Y23144
Y23145
Y29075
Y29077
Y32659
Y32660
Y32661
Y4750
Y4752
Y4753
Y5673
Y8599
Y8600
Y8601
Y8602
Y9267
Y9269
YFS085624
YFS107266
YP6208
BY3610
BY3101
BY3096
BY3808
BY3810
BY3811
Y10657
Y10655
Y29627
Y30722
Y29626
Y31109
Y21729
BY3812
Y12715
Y12339
Y31616
BY3809
BY19878
BY19882
BY19883
BY19886
BY19889

If the email is for an SNP pack that isn't I2 - M284xL126 SNP Pack and includes a lot of the above SNPs then it is a test that you should get.

Since you already had the I-M223 SNP Pack test according to your post here that means you were already tested for the following SNPs downstream from Y4751:

Y4752
Y4750
Y8599
Y11197
Y11246
Y11857
Y5673

You should see those in red at https://www.familytreedna.com/my/y-dna-haplotree and any of the SNPs downstream from Y4751 that are black are presumed negative.

[davy57]

Hi

Many thanks to all for the very informative replies. The email I received states "I2-M284 SNP Pack Released"

When I follow the link to familytreedna the test available states " I2 - M284xL126 SNP Pack" which includes testing for the following:

Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
M284, L1195, L1193, Y3713, L1194, Y10626, Y5996, Y3684, Y3709, Y3710, CTS4544, Y5999, Y3712, Y3719, Y23654, Y23610, Y20863, Y22546, Y22549, FGC24716, Y20864, Y20865, Y22017, Y22539, Y22540, Y22541, Y22542, Y22543, Y22544, Y22545, Y22547, Y22548, Y22550, Y22551, Y22552, Y6022, FGC20053, FGC20041, Y3702, FGC14214, FGC14212, FGC14222, FGC14220, FGC21569, Y3688, Y3700, FGC14223, Y3718, FGC14213, FGC14218, Y4146, FGC20040, Y4160, Y3705, Y27468, Z26366, Y27469, Y27467, Y4163, CTS10088, Y27470, FGC14228, Y4167, FGC14221, FGC14210, Y3720, FGC14229, Y3694, FGC14215, FGC14224, FGC14226, FGC14231, FGC20061, Y27464, Y4162, Y4138, Y3715, Y10629, Y10627, Y10630, Y10628, Y10631, Y6020, FGC14269, FGC14244, FGC14264, FGC14243, FGC14239, FGC14240, Y23433, FGC14267, FGC35437, FGC14254, Y6028, Y6029, FGC14242, FGC14255, FGC14260, FGC14246, FGC14234, Y6019, FGC14268, FGC14251, Y6006, FGC14235, FGC14247, FGC14265, Y6005, FGC14272, FGC14273, FGC14262, FGC14258, FGC14266, Y6010, FGC14275, Y4165, BY1798, FGC14249, BY13862, BY13863, FGC35450, BY13865, BY13867, FGC35457, Y3701

Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
Y27463, Y3717

If I choose a random "test available" SNP from my Haplotree, eg: BY19889, I don't see BY19889 nominated on the above tests.

My apologies if I appear confusing!


Regards
davy57

[Armando]

Hi

Many thanks to all for the very informative replies. The email I received states "I2-M284 SNP Pack Released"

When I follow the link to familytreedna the test available states " I2 - M284xL126 SNP Pack" which includes testing for the following:

Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
M284, L1195, L1193, Y3713, L1194, Y10626, Y5996, Y3684, Y3709, Y3710, CTS4544, Y5999, Y3712, Y3719, Y23654, Y23610, Y20863, Y22546, Y22549, FGC24716, Y20864, Y20865, Y22017, Y22539, Y22540, Y22541, Y22542, Y22543, Y22544, Y22545, Y22547, Y22548, Y22550, Y22551, Y22552, Y6022, FGC20053, FGC20041, Y3702, FGC14214, FGC14212, FGC14222, FGC14220, FGC21569, Y3688, Y3700, FGC14223, Y3718, FGC14213, FGC14218, Y4146, FGC20040, Y4160, Y3705, Y27468, Z26366, Y27469, Y27467, Y4163, CTS10088, Y27470, FGC14228, Y4167, FGC14221, FGC14210, Y3720, FGC14229, Y3694, FGC14215, FGC14224, FGC14226, FGC14231, FGC20061, Y27464, Y4162, Y4138, Y3715, Y10629, Y10627, Y10630, Y10628, Y10631, Y6020, FGC14269, FGC14244, FGC14264, FGC14243, FGC14239, FGC14240, Y23433, FGC14267, FGC35437, FGC14254, Y6028, Y6029, FGC14242, FGC14255, FGC14260, FGC14246, FGC14234, Y6019, FGC14268, FGC14251, Y6006, FGC14235, FGC14247, FGC14265, Y6005, FGC14272, FGC14273, FGC14262, FGC14258, FGC14266, Y6010, FGC14275, Y4165, BY1798, FGC14249, BY13862, BY13863, FGC35450, BY13865, BY13867, FGC35457, Y3701

Includes the following SNPs that are NOT on the haplotree:
Y27463, Y3717

Your positive result of I-Y4751 proves that you do not need the above test. FTDNA should not have sent you an email inviting you to take that test. They have failed to come up with a program that excludes people that have already proven to be either positive or negative for SNPs in the SNPs packs that they email people about.

If I choose a random "test available" SNP from my Haplotree, eg: BY19889, I don't see BY19889 nominated on the above tests.

My apologies if I appear confusing!


Regards
davy57

No need to apologize. BY19889 is not on the above test because BY19889 is downstream from L126 and the above test does not include any SNPs downstream from L126. You need a test that includes a lot of SNPs downstream from L126 and more specifically downstream from Y4751.

The best test for you to get if you want further SNP testing is BigY. It will include almost all of the SNPs in the FTDNA tree and it will also test you for SNPs that are not on the tree. It is on sale right now for $395. Regular price is $575. So it would be wise to get BigY if you want to find out which SNPs downstream from I-Y4751 that you are positive for.