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Old 11th May 2018, 03:23 PM
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Don't commit a crime and leave your DNA behind. If someone related to you does do something awful, would it be such a crime if your DNA lead the authorities to him or her?
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Old 12th May 2018, 05:39 AM
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If your relative was framed, then yes. Nothing in this world is either black or white. Think outside the box.
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Old 12th May 2018, 01:56 PM
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But there are long established laws about sampling DNA and the chain of custody for tests admitted into evidence. Nobody is going to win a conviction based on a genealogical website profile because they don't satisfy the criteria for being admitted into evidence.

A suspect may be identified using this website information, but the prosecution would still have to directly sample the suspect and have the test performed under controlled conditions in a lab registered with the state for court use.

The existence of these web sites changes absolutely nothing in court.

You may not trust the authorities, and maybe for good reason. But that has nothing to do with these web sites, and everything to do with the political system that gives them their power.
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Old 12th May 2018, 07:08 PM
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Nothing in this world is either black or white. Think outside the box.
Think about what you just stated. If black isn't black and white isn't white, as you stated: "Nothing in this world is either black or white" that attempts to create doubt and confusion in anyone's mind, as promoted by that concept. If you prevail in advancing this ideology, someone who might be convinced of this will no any longer recognize anything as being black or white. That's what cultural relativism is. It's the cult of moral grayness.

Apparently you are trying to steer this thread into the world of philosophy and psychology, and its expediency in the social and political arena. IMO that is AKA a mind F---.

Let's try to keep this topic focused on genealogy.
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Old 15th May 2018, 02:54 AM
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I'm not the one who wrote two paragraphs on the issue. By the way, it's a lot shorter saying, "I disagree." That's essentially what I'm saying right now.
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Old 15th May 2018, 10:12 PM
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Your "gem" of the link you provided by the 'comedian' Taylor Mali in his sounding like a retarded person wasn't funny. IMO, it was propagandist at best and a pathetic attempt at comedy at its worst.
The guy was just trying to sound like what a badly auto-spellchecked paper would sound like if read out loud without proofreading it first. Don't see the big deal about it. Was humorous in its context for me at least.

But I do agree with not having a problem with the potential access to the database to find a criminal. Can it be misused? Sure, but it can be used for good as well. Besides, as others have noted, can't really stop it if we care about finding genealogical connections. Even if FTDNA stops transfers and Gedmatch disappears, if enough DNA was left at a scene, there are ways to submit it. I once saw a video where someone converted a swab collection into a saliva-like sample for use with AncestryDNA. So not impossible, but depends.
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Old 26th May 2018, 06:26 PM
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If your relative was framed, then yes. Nothing in this world is either black or white. Think outside the box.
Sorry, but the chances of a relative being framed for murder or rape by someone successfully planting their (uncontaminated) DNA at a crime scene are so miniscule that they're not worth worrying about.
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Old 26th May 2018, 09:53 PM
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Think about what you just stated. If black isn't black and white isn't white, as you stated: "Nothing in this world is either black or white" that attempts to create doubt and confusion in anyone's mind, as promoted by that concept. If you prevail in advancing this ideology, someone who might be convinced of this will no any longer recognize anything as being black or white. That's what cultural relativism is. It's the cult of moral grayness.

Apparently you are trying to steer this thread into the world of philosophy and psychology, and its expediency in the social and political arena. IMO that is AKA a mind F---.

Let's try to keep this topic focused on genealogy.
Agree
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