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Old 31st July 2017, 08:51 AM
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Question Father / Son Y DNA Haplogroup

I thought (and was told by mother) that my father was a Nugent. However, after receiving results from Y DNA test, the earliest known ancestors are named Flowers. Also, all of the match names (except for two) in the Name column on the left are Flowers. My Y DNA Haplogroup is shown as J-M 172. Does this pretty much mean that I am a Flowers or that my father was really a Flowers instead of a Nugent?
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Old 31st July 2017, 09:37 AM
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I thought (and was told by mother) that my father was a Nugent. However, after receiving results from Y DNA test, the earliest known ancestors are named Flowers. Also, all of the match names (except for two) in the Name column on the left are Flowers. My Y DNA Haplogroup is shown as J-M 172. Does this pretty much mean that I am a Flowers or that my father was really a Flowers instead of a Nugent?
Not necessarily unless a Nugent from your father's line was known to have tested and there isn't a match. If no Nugent from your suspected father's line has tested then you will have to find one and recruit them to test. How close a match is the Flowers match?
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Old 31st July 2017, 09:54 AM
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I thought (and was told by mother) that my father was a Nugent. However, after receiving results from Y DNA test, the earliest known ancestors are named Flowers. Also, all of the match names (except for two) in the Name column on the left are Flowers. My Y DNA Haplogroup is shown as J-M 172. Does this pretty much mean that I am a Flowers or that my father was really a Flowers instead of a Nugent?
At what level of matching are you talking about - 12, 25, 37, 67 or 111 markers? The number of markers compared is an important factor in determining how significant a match and his surname are.

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Old 31st July 2017, 10:41 AM
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At what level of matching are you talking about - 12, 25, 37, 67 or 111 markers? The number of markers compared is an important factor in determining how significant a match and his surname are.
37

I would be his only son. 2 daughters. Never met him nor the Flowers.
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Old 31st July 2017, 10:47 AM
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Not necessarily unless a Nugent from your father's line was known to have tested and there isn't a match. If no Nugent from your suspected father's line has tested then you will have to find one and recruit them to test. How close a match is the Flowers match?
9 matches and 6 of them are Flowers. others are odd names. Distance is

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1 Flowers
1 Flowers
1 Flowers
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2 Flowers
3 Flowers
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4 Flowers
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Old 31st July 2017, 11:07 AM
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67 markers

To confirm how close the relationship is you need to get the 67 marker test.

Some of my matches at 37 markers are a GD of 2 and at 67 markers drop to 5 and are not matches at 111 markers
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Old 31st July 2017, 11:10 AM
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To confirm how close the relationship is you need to get the 67 marker test.

Some of my matches at 37 markers are a GD of 2 and at 67 markers drop to 5 and are not matches at 111 markers
If I do the 67, that could rule out Nugent as father? The Nugents have a different haplogroup for Y, but they do have ancestral trees, of course.
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Old 31st July 2017, 11:11 AM
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9 matches and 6 of them are Flowers. others are odd names. Distance is

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1 Flowers
1 Flowers
1 Flowers
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2 Flowers
3 Flowers
4
4 Flowers
This should be further investigated. Matches that only differ at 1 or 2 markers at 37 markers may be significant.

If any of the closest Flowers matches have tested to 67 markers, it would be worthwhile for you to upgrade to 67 markers and see how close they are at the higher level. (I'm assuming that you haven't tested 67 markers yet.) There is a sale that begins tomorrow and lasts until Aug. 31 that includes a reduced price for upgrading from 37 to 67 markers.

Also, if you have a male cousin who is the son of your Nugent father's brothers, have him test to see if the two of you match. If not, then you are definitely not a Nugent and may be a Flowers.
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Old 31st July 2017, 11:26 AM
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This should be further investigated. Matches that only differ at 1 or 2 markers at 37 markers may be significant.

If any of the closest Flowers matches have tested to 67 markers, it would be worthwhile for you to upgrade to 67 markers and see how close they are at the higher level. (I'm assuming that you haven't tested 67 markers yet.) There is a sale that begins tomorrow and lasts until Aug. 31 that includes a reduced price for upgrading from 37 to 67 markers.

Also, if you have a male cousin who is the son of your Nugent father's brothers, have him test to see if the two of you match. If not, then you are definitely not a Nugent and may be a Flowers.
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Old 31st July 2017, 11:27 AM
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thanks for the info on the sale for the 67 marker starting tomorrow! I will try it. Nugent's father had two sons, but I doubt the son of my alleged father's brother would do test. So, I will do the 67 marker and see what happens.
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