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Old 2nd February 2016, 10:52 PM
ddxue ddxue is offline
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After much help from Ray Banks, the administrator of the haplogroup C ISOGG tree, I'm sure I'm not haplogroup J. From the haplogroup J google doc, I searched every SNP that defines J-M304 (the top-level mutation). Many SNP's were not tested and were not in the csv file with my raw SNP results. However, many were in the file and I quickly came across many SNP's that I did not have the mutation for. Therefore there is no way I can be haplogroup J.

Then I looked at the haplogroup C google doc and looked up the SNP's that define C-M130. Nat Geo tested 13 of the SNP's that define C-M130 and I test positive for the mutation on 12 of them. I'm unclear as to why I do not have the F1367 C->G mutation since Ray told me if I am haplogroup C I should have ALL of the M130 mutations that were tested for.

Right now I'm operating the assumption I'm haplogroup C. It looks like I'm in C2/C-M217. I'm currently trying to figure out what specific subclade I belong to (if it's even possible with the level of testing Nat Geo did).
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Old 2nd February 2016, 11:36 PM
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I don't know if you can download the data from Geno 2.0 Next Generation or not because I can download the data from my Geno 2.0 and see the result of those SNPs.

Then I suggest you to get Y-STR test to see the STR values. Or you can skip it and test some SNP (in FTDNA or YSEQ). And if you can afford it, then you can order NGS test like Big Y from FTDNA, or Y Elite 2.1 from FGC.
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Old 2nd February 2016, 11:46 PM
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I think my subclade is C2e1b F845. Looks like I experienced the exact same thing as the other guy on anthrogenica forums who was mis-classified as J-CTS2906 by Nat Geo Next Gen (he also ended up in C2e1b F845 subclade).

The results of my research:

Haplogroup C (C-M103):
CTS3221+
CTS6266+
CTS11544+
F1030+
F1217+
F1241+
F1307+
F1367- I lack this C->G mutation - I have C
F1727+
F2792+
F3043+
F3395+
V199+

Haplogroup C2 (C-M217):
CTS244+
CTS1831+
CTS3430+
CTS5410+
CTS6865+
CTS9677+
F1574+
F1597+
F1677+
F2379+
F2512+
F2718+
F3122+
F3324+
F3643+
F4010+
Z12163- I lack this A->T mutation - I have A

C2e1b:
F845+
CTS6704+
CTS12931+
CTS2123- I lack this G->T mutation - I have G
CTS11522+

I was unable to see if I'm C2e1b1 or C2e1b4 since Nat Geo didn't test the SNP's that define those subclades. However, I know I'm not C2e1b2 or C2e1b3 since I did not test positive for the SNP's that define those subclades.

Much thanks to Ray Banks, the admin of the haplogroup C project and the haplogroup C ISOGG tree for his help.

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Old 3rd February 2016, 07:35 AM
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I don't know if you can download the data from Geno 2.0 Next Generation or not because I can download the data from my Geno 2.0 and see the result of those SNPs.
Geno 2.0 NextGen customers have to do a transfer to FTDNA to be able to download the CSV file that has the alleles of the 13,600 or so SNPs they were tested for. Whenever a person has a list of positive SNPs from Geno 2.0 NextGen it means that they have already done the transfer so all they have to do is look for the CSV file. That is how a person can find out if they were tested for certain SNPs or not.
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Old 3rd February 2016, 07:44 AM
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I was unable to see if I'm C2e1b1 or C2e1b4 since Nat Geo didn't test the SNP's that define those subclades. However, I know I'm not C2e1b2 or C2e1b3 since I did not test positive for the SNP's that define those subclades.
Are you sure that you don't have F1673 in your CSV file? It shows up in the CSV file of other people that had the Geno 2.0 NextGen test and it is one of the SNPs that define C2e1b1.

Are there more than 13,000 SNPs in the file that you are looking at? If not, then you don't have the right file.
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Old 3rd February 2016, 08:06 AM
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Nevermind, I see that you are using the nomenclature of Ray Banks' tree and not the official ISOGG tree.
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Old 3rd February 2016, 09:49 AM
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You don't need to check every SNPs, some SNPs will not give a correct call in Chip test. And Geno 2+ not test F845's downstreams, so you end at a marker 6300 years ago, still very rough. subgroup include: SK1036, K511, etc.
http://yfull.com/tree/C-F845/
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Old 3rd February 2016, 11:03 AM
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You don't need to check every SNPs, some SNPs will not give a correct call in Chip test. And Geno 2+ not test F845's downstreams, so you end at a marker 6300 years ago, still very rough. subgroup include: SK1036, K511, etc.
http://yfull.com/tree/C-F845/
Yeah, the subgroup that has K511 is the C2e1b1 subclade that ddxue said isn't tested by Geno 2.0 NextGen. I've verified that that by cross-referencing all of the SNPs in the subclade that are listed at Ray Banks' site https://sites.google.com/site/compositeytree/c2 Not a single one is included in the NextGen results of other people.
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Old 3rd February 2016, 11:23 AM
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Are you sure that you don't have F1673 in your CSV file? It shows up in the CSV file of other people that had the Geno 2.0 NextGen test and it is one of the SNPs that define C2e1b1.

Are there more than 13,000 SNPs in the file that you are looking at? If not, then you don't have the right file.
You are right, I was using Ray Bank's google doc for C2 that has different subclade nomenclature. Under the 2016 ISOGG tree I would be C2e2 F845+.

I contacted the Nat Geo project last week about my incorrect Y-DNA haplogroup and they have yet to respond. I really hope this isn't happening to a lot of other people.
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Old 3rd February 2016, 12:12 PM
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I contacted the Nat Geo project last week about my incorrect Y-DNA haplogroup and they have yet to respond. I really hope this isn't happening to a lot of other people.
They have been making a lot of mistakes. They have given a R1b-U106 person a terminal SNP that belongs to the R1b-M222 subclade, They have given three R1b-DF27 people a terminal SNP that is way downstream of R1b-U152, and another person that is probably positive for Z2103 was given a terminal SNP above that because Geno 2.0 NextGen doesn't test for it.

Those are just the ones I know about which means there are probably hundreds of people out there that don't know any better that are being given bad information. It seems to be a very big problem.
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