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Old 13th March 2018, 11:47 AM
MoberlyDrake MoberlyDrake is offline
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Sometimes they don't seem to know what info you are asking for when you ask them who they are matching!

And I still get occasional Family Finder matches who insist that our common ancestor must be in the direct paternal (or maternal) line.

9 out of 10 don't reply at all these days, no matter which company they tested at.
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Old 13th March 2018, 01:02 PM
John McCoy John McCoy is offline
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I've noticed a lot of people dabbling in autosomal and other DNA testing who seem to have the idea that it is the fault of the various web sites that they don't understand genetic genealogy. They complain that it's all gibberish, that they don't have the time to learn all the jargon, they don't know where to begin, etc. In other words, they seem to believe that, as is usually advertised, the subject is supposed to be extremely simple and self-evident, and that they should not be required to expend any effort at all to master it. I am always reminded of my mother's experience at the Seattle Public Library many years ago (decades before DNA testing was advertised on TV), when a woman arrived at the genealogy desk, breathless: "I need to get my family tree. My husband is double parked."

I have always thought the best preparation for genetic genealogy is to pay attention in high school or college biology to the lesson on meiosis. However, that advice comes too late for these people. There are a number of independent web sites that have developed tutorials for genetic genealogy, and I think it would be very useful if we were to recommend one or two of them as tried-and-true entry points where beginners should go FIRST, before they attempt to understand their results. I'm hoping it will be possible to develop a consensus about how a novice should prepare for their journey in genetic genealogy.
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Old 13th March 2018, 02:27 PM
MoberlyDrake MoberlyDrake is offline
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I always recommend Bettinger's book, but people really should read it before they test, not after! I blame Ancestry for the mess DNA testing is in now. It could have become a great tool for serious genealogists to solve genealogical problems with lots and lots of work, cooperation, sharing, and projects of a kind that I once hoped to see develop. But now it's tons of junk - thousands of clueless matches.
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Old 13th March 2018, 08:34 PM
Carpathian Carpathian is offline
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And I still get occasional Family Finder matches who insist that our common ancestor must be in the direct paternal (or maternal) line.
Please tell us: if the common ancestor is in neither "the direct paternal (or maternal) line"... where ELSE would the common ancestor BE found?

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9 out of 10 don't reply at all these days, no matter which company they tested at.
True. There is little or no incentive for them to do so.
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Old 13th March 2018, 08:57 PM
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Please tell us: if the common ancestor is in neither "the direct paternal (or maternal) line"... where ELSE would the common ancestor BE found?
It could be an ancestor of your father's mother or an ancestor of you mother's father -- or an ancestor of your paternal grandfather's mother or an ancestor of your maternal grandmother's father or etc.
-- you have 4 grandparents - only one along the direct maternal line, only one along the direct paternal line
-- you have 8 great-grandparents - but again, only one along the direct maternal line, only one along the direct paternal line - so 6 great-grandparents along neither.
--and the further back you go, the more ancestors you have that are not along either the direct maternal or direct paternal line.
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Old 14th March 2018, 09:12 AM
John McCoy John McCoy is offline
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The distinction to be made is "patrilineal" versus "paternal", and "matrilineal" versus "maternal".

Patrilineal and matrilineal refer to your "direct" paternal/maternal lines. Patrilineal as a genealogical concept happens to be the same lineage as your Y chromosome ancestry, if you are a male, and also, in at least some cultures, the traditional lineage of your surname. Matrilineal happens to be the same lineage as your mitochondrial ancestry.

Paternal and maternal encompass all of your paternal or maternal ancestors respectively.

These and other terms used in genealogy are frequently confused (as far back as the 15th Century, I discovered recently!), so genealogists have to be alert for errors in their usage.
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Old 14th March 2018, 07:31 PM
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Paternal and maternal encompass all of your paternal or maternal ancestors respectively.

These and other terms used in genealogy are frequently confused (as far back as the 15th Century, I discovered recently!), so genealogists have to be alert for errors in their usage.
Thanks, John. Virtually everyone alive had a mother and a father, whether they knew them or not, unless there were more modern methods involved in their procreation. So despite the terminology, let's not parse words. For everyone who can recognize their line of descent it all comes down to only two sides involved: being that of either maternal or paternal.
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Old 15th March 2018, 01:40 PM
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I haven't heard from the original correspondent again.

But there's good news. I'm communicating with a wonderful match who is just as interested (obsessed) as I am, and she writes coherent e-mails. She uploaded to Gedmatch on Tuesday from Ancestry and is processing at FTDNA.

From the mutual matches we've narrowed it down to one pair of my gtgt-grandparents and her one set of her gtgt-grandparents. I suspect our two gtgtgrandfathers are related and in both cases we have no record of them before they emigrated to different parts of the world. Her gtgt-grandfather's surname is my gtgt-grandfather's middle name.

It won't be solved by lunchtime, but I'm hopeful we will crack this one sometime. The test of her grandmother (who descends from the same gtgt-grandparents) is being processed at the moment. If she shares four times as much DNA with us as her granddaughter I'll be ecstatic.

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Old 11th April 2018, 05:45 AM
Kohlehydrat Kohlehydrat is offline
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(...) I am always reminded of my mother's experience at the Seattle Public Library many years ago (decades before DNA testing was advertised on TV), when a woman arrived at the genealogy desk, breathless: "I need to get my family tree. My husband is double parked."
priceless!
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Old 12th April 2018, 01:14 AM
ltd-jean-pull ltd-jean-pull is offline
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I've heard from him again. I still don't know his kit number! They share one little 8cM segment of DNA. I explained that this is a distant match and likely to be at least a couple of centuries ago. He vehemently disagrees with this.
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