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Old 15th January 2018, 02:18 PM
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Rebecca, I have not tested with either company and cannot give a clear answer. I think My Heritage is OK. I think they have a component from the Levant but I have not been able to find their list of Founder Populations and might be incorrect--see below. My concern is that the program might suggest that Jews and other Levantines do not have the same origin in Asia

There are problems with Ancestry. As you noted, they deliberately created a sort of Levantine region that excluded Jews. All dna research of the region indicates that this is nonsense. 'European Jews' is a misleading category since about half of the Jewish lines are from Asia. (At least DNA Land included both Europe and the Levant) In addition, European really means Ashkenazis

Clarification, MO 2 does have a Levantine region (West Middle East). However, those with Jewish ancestry are not shown that they have Levantine ancestry----Jewish preempts Levantine ancestry. This might lead some Jews to mistakenly conclude that they do not have Levantine ancestry. Without modern dna regarding the Levant, Arthur Koestler concluded that Jews had Khazarian origins. (See Khazaria's "The Jews of Khazaria")
My concern about My Heritage was justified. It has separate Jewish and non Jewish Levantine (West Middle East) Founder Populations. The West Middle East samples were from Druze and Bedouins. This reflects a political rather than scientific decision. As Atzmon has shown, Druze and Jews fall within the same cluster. Druze are a bit closer to Syrian Jews as compared to European Jews but Atzmon lumped Syrian Jews and European Jews together reflecting the same origins. Bedouins are more distant from Jews, probably reflecting an Arabian component

In terms of ancient origins, Jews, Bedouins and Druze have similar levels of a Natufian component. The Natufians were among the first settlers of the land known as Israel about 10,000 years ago.

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Old 15th January 2018, 04:00 PM
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Thank you again for all of your insight, Josh. I find this all so fascinating and I am learning so much.
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Thank you again for all of your insight, Josh. I find this all so fascinating and I am learning so much.
Thanks. I hope that I was clear that all testing companies are familiar with the research showing that Jews have Levantine origins. Some have chosen not to note the connection or wish to separate Jews from other Levantine groups.
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Which Gedmatch Admixture do you use to find Sephardic roots?

Yes, Josh and Rebecca, thank you both for you very informative inputs!
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