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Old 27th April 2017, 03:26 AM
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A human presence detected on the American continent 130,000 years ago

"The first "Americans" take a good shot of old. Scientists have dated 130,000 years human presence on the American continent, "aging" the first "Americans" over 100,000 years ago and inviting to rethink the history of the settlement of the New World."
https://fr.news.yahoo.com/pr%C3%A9se...190837713.html
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Old 27th April 2017, 03:42 PM
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"The first "Americans" take a good shot of old. Scientists have dated 130,000 years human presence on the American continent, "aging" the first "Americans" over 100,000 years ago and inviting to rethink the history of the settlement of the New World."
https://fr.news.yahoo.com/pr%C3%A9se...190837713.html
Yes! Nature 4/26 Note: it isn't hominid skeletal material, it's a mastodon that has been butchered by humans, plus the tools they left behind. 130K ybp
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Old 28th April 2017, 05:36 AM
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Is Sasquatch/BigFoot considered human? 130,000 years ago must have been the previous major ice advance (the one before the recent one), with associated land bridge.

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Old 28th April 2017, 07:28 AM
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This would be at the end of the Illinoian glaciations. It is within the timelines of Neanderthal, Denisovan and modern humans. Just in an unexpected location.
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Old 3rd May 2017, 01:49 PM
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Unfortunately the evidence is flimsy to say the least. There are broken animal bones and there are nearby stones which could have been used as tools to break them, but there's no evidence that the stones were used or that any form of hominid was involved.
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Old 3rd May 2017, 02:09 PM
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Another problem with this study is that the scientific consensus is that the ancient modern humans who originated in East Africa moved into the Middle East (and then through Asia to Australia and later to Europe) somewhere around 60,000 to 100,000 years ago. This study claims that humans were in the Americas 130,000 years ago.

Somebody is wrong here. One possibility is, if this study is correct that there were humans that early in the Americas, that these humans 130,000 years ago were not the same line of ancestors as the humans who moved from Africa to the Middle East 60,000 to 100,000 years ago. They could represent an unsuccessful human population that went extinct. The other possibility is that the evidence in this study is wrong, as DaveInGreece notes in his post before mine.

I have to agree with him that the evidence is not very convincing. They need to find skeletons in the location that establish that Homo Sapiens was there that long ago. Otherwise, their conclusions amount to pure speculation.
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Old 3rd May 2017, 02:30 PM
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probably Neandethals or Denisova hominin

Neanderthal were in Europe 450,000 years ago. They used tools. Other hominids were in Asia 500,000 years ago...so we should expect some hominids made it to North America 130,000 years ago.

Homo heidelbergensis , a close ancestor of the neanderthals, lived in Europe and Asian 650,000 years ago...would be strange if they failed to migrate to North America when they had the opportunity after traveling all the way from South Africa to Siberia between 750,000 and 650,000 years ago.
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Old 3rd May 2017, 03:02 PM
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Neanderthal were in Europe 450,000 years ago. They used tools. Other hominids were in Asia 500,000 years ago...so we should expect some hominids made it to North America 130,000 years ago.

Homo heidelbergensis , a close ancestor of the neanderthals, lived in Europe and Asian 650,000 years ago...would be strange if they failed to migrate to North America when they had the opportunity after traveling all the way from South Africa to Siberia between 750,000 and 650,000 years ago.
I was casting doubt that the alleged human presence in the Americas that they claim 130,000 years ago was Homo Sapiens. As you point out, it could be another hominid population, such as Neanderthal.

However, I do agree with DaveInGreece that the evidence they cite to support their contention is weak. Without a human skeleton of some type, I don't think they've made a good case for what they are asserting.
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