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Old 22nd September 2015, 11:49 AM
Donald Locke Donald Locke is offline
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Originally Posted by T E Peterman View Post
This is a bit more complicated. Donald matches me, but he doesn't match my dad or either of his brothers. Donald does match two of my dad's cousins (SJB F212656 & WGL F226374).

Donald also matches my maternal aunt (M L Veasman F021616), as well as myself.

Of course, I don't know if in either overlap, South Asian ancestry was involved. M L Veasman only has 0.14% South Asian ancestry. I have 0.87% South Asian.

My dad has 2.59% South Asian. I think it is most likely that my aunt & I are related to Donald, but through a non-South Asian part of his family.

I suspect that my father did get his South Asian from a Romani source, as did his various maternal cousins. My father & his brothers didn't inherit any matching segments with Donald, although my father's cousins (SJB & WGL) did.

Timothy Peterman
Yes it is complicated I agree, and I am not sure if the no matches is a result of recombination or a result of no kinship, hard to say for certain.

Actually I had no idea I was matching so many people from your tree Timothy, interesting! But you are right, it is just as easily a non Romany connection from the colonial era.

Consider this though. Bennett Greenspan himself years ago told me that Y Haplo H* is found in less then 2% of the world male population. And for me to find and identify that many H1a - M82 male lineages of multiple surnames with direct trees to the colonial era from Virginia and one from South Carolina, tells me that there was a much larger Romany population then we know about.

Think about it, for every one H1a male lineage of Romany origins being identified, there is likely half a dozen to a dozen more lineages whom are Romany mixed but carry the more common European Haplogroups. Only 22% of the British Romany male population " Leicester University Romany DNA study" was proven to carry H1a, that means the rest of the admixture Romany / European / British carry the more common European Y Haplogroups but are clearly Romany / Romany mixed.

It is in my humble opinion that there were far more Romany / Romany mixed people in the American Colonies then we know about and any one of those individuals could explain some people's South Asian percentages in their FF reports.

Of the 13 colonies, why is Virginia the hot spot for finding Y Haplogroup H1a - M82 male lineages? Virtually all the H1a male lineages identified to date have direct trees tracing back to colonial Virginia, why? Because if you really look at the convict records for England and Scotland, those convict records often specifically state so and so an Egyptian / Gypsy was to be transported to Virginia.

That history exactly explains why we are finding this many H1a male lineages that are clearly of Romany origins having trees that trace back to colonial Virgina, because that is the colony they were transported to in the first place.
BUT! Because of admixture, only a select percentage of the Romany population carries South Asian Haplogroups, the rest carry typical European Haplogroups but are clearly Romany mixed when looking at their family trees.

So in my mind, where we find one H1a male lineage, we are likely to find a lot more Romany mixed people in the same region, but are carrying more common European Haplo's due to admixture and likely an admixture that happened prior to them comming to the colonies.
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