"Most of them are Scots, Jutes, Norsemen and even Swedes"
I have upgraded from the 67 level to the 111 level. It completely changed the probabilities of sharing a common ancestor with men named Gordon within “the last 16 and 24 generations”.
The ftdnaTiP calculator gave - I first thought - a credible estimate of "time to most recent common ancestors" on both the 37 and 67 level, where I based the credibility on a comparison with a letter from king James IV of Scotland in 1505 to his uncle king Hans of Denmark.
But TMRCA of 10 out of 11 ftdna-matches with the Gordons on the 67 level are now being estimated to be much older after this new comparison on the 111 level. We match 60/67 and 61/67 and now ca. 94/111.
The 11th match, with Peterson, shows that the 67 level estimate was credible, especially after papers revealed that we have a common ancestor, Jens Madsen Yde, born 1706. We match 64/67 and 107/111.
In five different examples you can see how much percentages can change from 67 to 111 markers.
Mr. A. Gordon and Yde at 67-level
Generations: and probability
16: 76,91%
24: 97,36%
Mr. A. Gordon and Yde at 111-level
16: 4,75%
24: 45,07%
= = =
Mr. B. Gordon and Yde on 67 markers
16: 76,91%
24: 97,36%
Mr. B. Gordon and Yde on 111 markers
16: 2,65%
24: 35,40%
= = =
Mr. C. Gordon and Yde at the 67-level
16: 61,44%
24: 93,35%
Mr. C. Gordon and Yde at the 111-level.
16: 4,11%
24: 41,97%
= = =
Mr. D. Gordon and Yde at 67-level
16: 61,44%
24: 93,35%
Mr. D. Gordon and Yde at 111-level
16: 2,26%
24: 32,47%
= = =
Mr. Peterson and Yde on 67 markers
16: 97,86%
24: 99,92%
Mr. Peterson and Yde on 111 markers
4: 24,00%
8: 75,01%
12: 95,22%
16: 99,33%
20: 99,92%
24: 99,99%
= = =
My conclusion is still that the father and mother of Yde, born 1506 in Denmark, was a man in Scotland and that the mother belonged to a group of gypsies/rowmais who sailed across the North Sea - a distance longer than from Houston to Yucatan or from San Diego to San Francisco.
Further, that an ancestor of the man in Scotland once came from Normandy, France. Did some of his ancestors in person know Rollo (ca. 860-932)? Did the ancestor before that sail down from Norway via Orkney Islands to Normandy? Or did Rollo and his accompaniers - as Guillaume/William de Jumièges, b. ca 1000, tells - come from Danish town of Fakse on Sealand? And was Rollo on Sealand then a descendant of Fornjot, King of Gotland, Kvenland and Finland?
The Romani on their side later arrived in Finland – which at that time was part of Sweden – in 1512. In 1573 Archbishop Laurentius Petri questioned the Egyptian origins and morals of these ‘Tatars’: ‘They claim to come from Egypt Minor, which is nothing but a lie, as they have never been to Egypt. Most of them are Scots, Jutes, Norsemen and even Swedes who have joined their numbers so that they may exercise such accursed arbitrariness.’ (From "Suomen romanien historia") So maybe they shortly after 1506 took a boat from Jutland to Norway?
I have upgraded from the 67 level to the 111 level. It completely changed the probabilities of sharing a common ancestor with men named Gordon within “the last 16 and 24 generations”.
The ftdnaTiP calculator gave - I first thought - a credible estimate of "time to most recent common ancestors" on both the 37 and 67 level, where I based the credibility on a comparison with a letter from king James IV of Scotland in 1505 to his uncle king Hans of Denmark.
But TMRCA of 10 out of 11 ftdna-matches with the Gordons on the 67 level are now being estimated to be much older after this new comparison on the 111 level. We match 60/67 and 61/67 and now ca. 94/111.
The 11th match, with Peterson, shows that the 67 level estimate was credible, especially after papers revealed that we have a common ancestor, Jens Madsen Yde, born 1706. We match 64/67 and 107/111.
In five different examples you can see how much percentages can change from 67 to 111 markers.
Mr. A. Gordon and Yde at 67-level
Generations: and probability
16: 76,91%
24: 97,36%
Mr. A. Gordon and Yde at 111-level
16: 4,75%
24: 45,07%
= = =
Mr. B. Gordon and Yde on 67 markers
16: 76,91%
24: 97,36%
Mr. B. Gordon and Yde on 111 markers
16: 2,65%
24: 35,40%
= = =
Mr. C. Gordon and Yde at the 67-level
16: 61,44%
24: 93,35%
Mr. C. Gordon and Yde at the 111-level.
16: 4,11%
24: 41,97%
= = =
Mr. D. Gordon and Yde at 67-level
16: 61,44%
24: 93,35%
Mr. D. Gordon and Yde at 111-level
16: 2,26%
24: 32,47%
= = =
Mr. Peterson and Yde on 67 markers
16: 97,86%
24: 99,92%
Mr. Peterson and Yde on 111 markers
4: 24,00%
8: 75,01%
12: 95,22%
16: 99,33%
20: 99,92%
24: 99,99%
= = =
My conclusion is still that the father and mother of Yde, born 1506 in Denmark, was a man in Scotland and that the mother belonged to a group of gypsies/rowmais who sailed across the North Sea - a distance longer than from Houston to Yucatan or from San Diego to San Francisco.
Further, that an ancestor of the man in Scotland once came from Normandy, France. Did some of his ancestors in person know Rollo (ca. 860-932)? Did the ancestor before that sail down from Norway via Orkney Islands to Normandy? Or did Rollo and his accompaniers - as Guillaume/William de Jumièges, b. ca 1000, tells - come from Danish town of Fakse on Sealand? And was Rollo on Sealand then a descendant of Fornjot, King of Gotland, Kvenland and Finland?
The Romani on their side later arrived in Finland – which at that time was part of Sweden – in 1512. In 1573 Archbishop Laurentius Petri questioned the Egyptian origins and morals of these ‘Tatars’: ‘They claim to come from Egypt Minor, which is nothing but a lie, as they have never been to Egypt. Most of them are Scots, Jutes, Norsemen and even Swedes who have joined their numbers so that they may exercise such accursed arbitrariness.’ (From "Suomen romanien historia") So maybe they shortly after 1506 took a boat from Jutland to Norway?
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