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Originally Posted by Stevo
So this describes your haplogroup, then:
Is that right?
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No, mine is the original I1b1-Dinar. Although Dinar refers to the Dinar Mountains (or Dinaric Alps) in Croatia, this subhaplogroup is actually found just as often in southern Poland and western Ukraine.
In fact, southern Poland used to be its own little country called White Croatia:
http://www.hr/darko/etf/et01.html#slav
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Constantine Porphyrogenitus (905-959), a Byzantine emperor and writer, mentions the state bearing the name of White Croatia. His description shows that it occupied a wide region around its capital Krakow, in parts of Bohemia, Slovakia, and Poland. The state disappeared in 999. St. Adalbert (Vojtech, 10th century) was a descendant of the White Croats, son of the White-Croatian duke Slavnik. He was spreading Christianity, education and culture, and to this end founded the benedictine monastery in Brevnov in 993. Also St. Ivan Hrvat, who died in Tetin in Bohemia in 910, was a son of White-Croatian King Gostumil. It is interesting to add that according to some American documents from the beginning of this century there were about 100,000 immigrants to the USA born around Krakow (Poland) who declared themselves to be Bielo-Chorvats, i.e. White Croats by nationality.
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Although conventional genetic anthropology presumes that I1b1 spent the last Ice Age in the Balkans (despite the lack of archeological evidence of a refugium) and later moved north, one could make a credible argument that I1b1 actually spent the last Ice Age in southern Ukraine (where there is abundant archeological evidence of a refugium) and later moved south. Such a movement south into Croatia is well-documented historically:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Croatian_state
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The most commonly accepted facts about the origin of the Croats are that they originate from Slavic tribes that lived in and around today's Poland or western Ukraine.
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The book De Administrando Imperio, written in the 10th century, is the most referenced source on the migration of Slavic peoples into southeastern Europe. It states that they migrated first around or before year 600 from the region that is now (roughly) Galicia and areas of the Pannonian plain, led by the Turkic Avars, to the province of Dalmatia ruled by the Roman Empire. De Administrando Imperio says that the Croats were led into the Roman province of Dalmatia by a group of five brothers, Klukas, Lobel, Kosenc, Muhlo and Hrvat, and their two sisters, Tuga and Buga.
The second wave of migration, possibly around year 620, began when the Croats were invited by the Emperor Heraclius to counter the Avar threat on the Byzantine Empire.
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