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NCroots 9th March 2018 03:51 PM

Cousins with different y-haplogroups
 
I have a 2nd cousin whose y-haplogroup is R-L51. We both have a 4th cousin whose y-haplogroup is R-P312. We all share the same 3rd great-grandfather (this is on my mother's side, so my y-haplogroup is irrelevant). Shouldn't my 2nd cousin & 4th cousin have the exact same haplogroup? Does this indicate a NPE?

prairielad 9th March 2018 04:22 PM

R-L51 is R1b1a1a2a1 ,SNP L51 defines the "1" subclade branch

R-P312 is R1b1a1a2a1a2, SNP P312 defines the "2" subclade branch.
R-P312 is also R-L51 (will test positive for L51), but not all R-L51's will be R-P312, some may follow a different subclade branch. (But in your case it is most likely that R-L51 will also be R-P312)

R-P312 is just tested deeper in your haplogroup subclade.

If R-L51 tested deeper (does yDNA SNP testing), he would also most likely test positive to at least R-P312

One has to look at haplotree to see if one is a parent branch of the other when comparing haplogroups, unless one has done full yDNA testing which determines ones final known subclade placement

NCroots 9th March 2018 07:03 PM

Ah, I understand. Thanks!

prairielad 9th March 2018 08:15 PM

Extra info...R-P312 is all of the below, each one being an older parent branch to below it. R-P312 will test positive for each branches defining SNP below R-P312

R1b............R-M343 formed 22800 ybp, TMRCA 20400 ybp
R1b1...........R-L278
R1b1a..........R-L754
R1b1a1.........R-L389
R1b1a1a........R-P297
R1b1a1a2.......R-M269 formed 13300 ybp, TMRCA 6400 ybp
R1b1a1a2a......R-L23
R1b1a1a2a1.....R-51 formed 6100 ybp, TMRCA 5700 ybp
R1b1a1a2a1a....R-L151
R1b1a1a2a1a2...R-P312 formed 4800 ybp, TMRCA 4500 ybp

Additional SNP testing may place each tester in one of the deeper subclades of R-P312
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-P312/

prairielad 10th March 2018 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prairielad (Post 449482)
Extra info...R-P312 is all of the below, each one being an older parent branch to below it. R-P312 will test positive for each branches defining SNP below R-P312
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I Should re word that

R-P312 is all of the below, each one being an older parent branch to the one below it. R-P312 will test positive for each of R-P312's older parent branches defining SNPs


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